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Hi,
I just wanted to see if anyone has come across this question. I thought that DSEAR was included as part of fire risk assessments. Recently some external companies have been saying that they can't include DSEAR in their risk assessment, because the employer must do their own risk assessment of dangerous substances.
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DSEAR is not part of normal fire risk assessment. Unfortunately you do not specify which industry sector you are employed to understand what would be required for your circumstances.
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DSEAR is not part of normal fire risk assessment. Unfortunately you do not specify which industry sector you are employed to understand what would be required for your circumstances.
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Are you/they confusing Dangerous Substances Explosive Atmosphere with Control of Substances Hazardous to Health?
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Are you/they confusing Dangerous Substances Explosive Atmosphere with Control of Substances Hazardous to Health?
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Hi,
Thank you for your comments. No, am not confusing with COSHH. The sector industry is healthcare.
A dental practice had a fire risk assessment carried out by an external assessor. The company has done risk assessments for them before. This time they mentioned DSEAR and said that the employer must do a risk assessment.
I have seen the below on HSE:
Controlling fire and explosion risks in the workplace: A brief guide to the Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations (hse.gov.uk)
Includes: “Ideally, you should carry out a risk assessment in relation to DSEAR as part of the overall workplace risk assessment required under the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999.3 You may also find it convenient to carry out the risk assessment in combination with that required under the general fire precautions legislation in the workplace – the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 and the Fire (Scotland) Act 2005.4”
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Sarah What exactly was included in the FRA. Years ago I had one commissioned for a lab ( which used an awful lot of organic solvents) and they did one without any consideration of the highly flammable materials in the lab. When asked they said they only did “normal” FRAs and so excluded any of the major fire hazards! There is big overlap between a FRA, the DSEAR risk assessment and any COSHH risk assessment and it might be easier to do them together.
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Hi Sarah I can't see how a COMPETENT fire risk assessor could possibly do an suitable and sufficient FRA without taking into account any "DSEAR" issues. However, I could see that one of the numerous bodies out there who think that a simple template will simplify doing FRAs whatever the nature of the premises might realise that if there are specific issues to contend with, then they might wish to caveat their reports. It's a bit like commissioning a Demolition and Refurbishment Asbestos survey and then seeing a report saying "We might not have looked at all parts of the building as (a) there was a locked door and the key was not available; (b) there were parts of the room which we couldn't reach because we didn't bring a stepladder. (c) we couldn't see behind partitions, and we didn't have something to poke through. The point being that such a survey is supposed to be intrusive and none of these excuses are good enough. Any more than it is good enought for a fire risk assessor to say that their FRA might not be adequate as it doesn't take into account potential causes of fire breaking out or being made worse by what is stored or used in the premises. All comes down to getting the specification right and checking the supplier's small print.
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Going to go out on a limb and totally prepared to be shot down but I have never seen ATEX rated dental equipment. Aside from the gas & air anaesthesia (if they still do those procedures) what else would likely trigger DSEAR? Beginning to suspect a game of buzz word bingo.
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Going to go out on a limb and totally prepared to be shot down but I have never seen ATEX rated dental equipment. Aside from the gas & air anaesthesia (if they still do those procedures) what else would likely trigger DSEAR? Beginning to suspect a game of buzz word bingo.
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Could you aregue that you have a'medical treatment room? If so DESAR does not apply.
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DSEAR
Reg 3 (2)(c) Areas for and during medical treatment of patients are excluded from Reg 5(4)(c) Are excluded from Reg 5(4)(c) is the requirment to identify hazardous areas Then Reg 7 to make the hazardous area classifiction So the requirements of DSEAR are minimal - if you use any flamambles, use in accordance with the providers instructions, I don't imagine there are much quantity of flamambles in a dental surgery etc
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