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McNeil17458  
#1 Posted : 23 August 2023 08:07:18(UTC)
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McNeil17458

I have a perspective based on years of presenting annual conferences to senior members of the profession on health and safety law. I would love to hear what you think. 

The pressure that health and safety directors face may vary depending on the size, nature, and culture of their organisation, as well as the level of support and commitment they receive from other board members and senior managers. However, are there some elements of our work that bring particular pressures? If so, which of them stand out to you? Is it any of the following?

  • Balancing the competing demands of health and safety with other business objectives and risks
  • Communicating effectively with internal and external stakeholders about health and safety issues and performance
  • Ensuring adequate resources, training, and competence for health and safety management, particularly obtaining funding for the right tools to support the health and safety function powerfully
  • Monitoring, reviewing, and auditing health and safety performance and compliance, perhaps with underfunded systems
  • Engaging with workers, contractors, suppliers, customers, regulators, and other parties on health and safety matters
  • Responding to incidents, accidents, complaints, or enforcement actions with your work under the spotlight

Compared to other directors, health and safety directors may face more scrutiny, accountability, and liability for their decisions and actions regarding health and safety. They may also have to deal with more complex and dynamic situations that require technical expertise, judgement, and leadership skills. Therefore, health and safety directors may experience more pressure than other directors in some aspects of their role.

I would love to hear your narative with some info on your experience that informs your perspective. 

Edited by user 23 August 2023 08:08:05(UTC)  | Reason: spelling

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 23 August 2023 16:21:31(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi McNeil

Interesting question but one that I think is largely of little relevance to the work of the typical health and safety professional EXCEPT one who thinks that they should be the LEADER rather than the ADVISER or ENABLER.

So, except where an organisation bows to that thinking and appoints a "Health and Safety Director (or similar title) to the Boardroom, then my view is that the "stress" of dealing with H&S issues for a Director is probably quite mild compared to the "stress" that they face when doing the job of a Director whatever their scope - e.g. Finance, Production, Human Relations etc etc.

...and the "stress" faced by such a Director is likely to be a tiny fraction of the work-related stress that these Directors (and the management chain) impose on those lower down in the food chain.

So, until such time that organisations routinely assess work-related stress and tackle it via the General Principles of Prevention aka Hierarchy of Control Measures instead of picking sticking plaster solutions such as Mental Health First Aiders, Employee Assistance Programs (US spelling deliberate) and bowls of fruit, then I don't really think that worrying about the stress on the bosses is likely to get anywhere close to the top of my priorities.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 23 August 2023 20:37:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Stress is relative:

- to the individuals circumstances at any specific moment in time

- the environment in which they find themselves along the time line

- the support (or more correctly absence thereof) which presents itself when stress is felt

It is no greater or lesser based upon any employed position as it is very much in the mind of the individual and relative to their accessible support network.

Nod to Peter captacha Qqps

To presume bearing the title H&S Director derives any more stress relative to others is not only offensive within the board room but also amongst the wider pool of colleagues across the whole business.

As individuals we all have our own triggers and buttons which are never constant but perpetually morph - what may be a minor inconvenience today could be a full blown rage tomorrow and vice versa.

In this modern age of sustainable, ethical, financial and shareholder accountability an H&S Director could be considered to be getting away lightly compared to others at the top table.

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Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 23 August 2023 20:37:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Stress is relative:

- to the individuals circumstances at any specific moment in time

- the environment in which they find themselves along the time line

- the support (or more correctly absence thereof) which presents itself when stress is felt

It is no greater or lesser based upon any employed position as it is very much in the mind of the individual and relative to their accessible support network.

Nod to Peter captacha Qqps

To presume bearing the title H&S Director derives any more stress relative to others is not only offensive within the board room but also amongst the wider pool of colleagues across the whole business.

As individuals we all have our own triggers and buttons which are never constant but perpetually morph - what may be a minor inconvenience today could be a full blown rage tomorrow and vice versa.

In this modern age of sustainable, ethical, financial and shareholder accountability an H&S Director could be considered to be getting away lightly compared to others at the top table.

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Holliday42333  
#5 Posted : 24 August 2023 09:43:13(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Originally Posted by: McNeil17458 Go to Quoted Post

Compared to other directors, health and safety directors may face more scrutiny, accountability, and liability for their decisions and actions regarding health and safety.

I'm not sure where this liability would come from??

Internal to the organisation perhaps but 'liability' alludes to legal responsibility.  As previous posters have suggested this is not likely to be the case.

As an example, an organisation close to me tragically had a significant incident that resulted in a fatality.  Of the senior leadership team (equivalent to directors) the only one of them the HSE were not interested in was the H&S Manager as the only operational part of the business they managed was the internal SHE team.

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HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 24 August 2023 12:21:49(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: McNeil17458 Go to Quoted Post

I have a perspective based on years of presenting annual conferences to senior members of the profession on health and safety law. I would love to hear what you think. 

As an ex inspector of 30 years experience I think you are out of touch with the real world. Very few companies have a director of Health and Safety! Presenting at Conferences is great - but again only a very small proportion of companies send people to these events, due to cost and even a smaller proportion of companies actually act on the ideas brought back.

Sorry if that sounds very negative

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achrn  
#7 Posted : 24 August 2023 13:02:02(UTC)
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achrn

FWIW, I am the board-level 'H&S Director' for my company (500 people worldwide, though the majority are in the UK).  I'm also the IT Director.  In the past I have been a director with production responsibilities (though we are predominantly designers, so its production of knowledge and ideas rather than anything physically tangible).

My most stressed periods in the workplace during my career have all been when I was production - especially with lawyers as clients.  My most stressed period (which included some stress-related time off work) was before I was a director.  I am significantly less stressed now I side-step most interaction with external clients.

Plus, I like my job, and it's meaningful, important and rewarding.  I make a (hopefully significant) contribution to all our people going home safe every day.  That matters. 

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peter gotch on 24/08/2023(UTC), McNeil17458 on 24/08/2023(UTC)
peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 24 August 2023 14:54:26(UTC)
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peter gotch

To follow up on what HSSnail has written, attending Conferences is extremely expensive, mostly NOT because of the Conference Fee and how many ££ it takes to travel and be accommodated but due to the "opportunity cost" of NOT doing what one could otherwise be doing.

So, suppose the Conference lasts a day. Could easily spend another day travelling to and back. Then another 1/4 day (or more) thinking about what, if anything you have learnt and perhaps deciding to pass that on to others.

So, that amounts of about 1% of the attendee's total working hours for the full year and they have other priorities which are slipping while they are away. How many OSH professionals have time on their hands?!?!

Attending Conferences is rarely going to provide the delegate with much CPD, whatever the promoters may say - UNLESS the programme is very well attuned to the delegates' needs and these vary dramatically from one delegate to the next, whereas the marketing tends to be of a scatter gun nature - "this is THE Health and Safety Conference of the Year"!!

Hence, there has to be a sound business reason to attend. May be the "networking" does add value, may be that is an illusion. Sometimes it is about using a Conference as a soft marketing opportunity.

Last such event I attended was the British Dam Society conference in 2012. I was co-presenting a paper on the implications of forthcoming changes to the Reservoirs Act 1930 and I was in awe at some of the technical stuff that my co-presenter had to say and what some of the delegates (lots of ICE "Panel" engineers) had to say in the Q&A session. Being there did also heighten my appreciation that the Client I had being doing a project for was in the vanguard when it came to their categorisation of their dam portfolio even if it was done on the basis of calculating the potential impact by hazard rather than downsteam risk of human (or other) harm.

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McNeil17458 on 24/08/2023(UTC)
McNeil17458  
#9 Posted : 24 August 2023 19:33:12(UTC)
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McNeil17458

Originally Posted by: achrn Go to Quoted Post

FWIW, I am the board-level 'H&S Director' for my company (500 people worldwide, though the majority are in the UK).  I'm also the IT Director.  In the past I have been a director with production responsibilities (though we are predominantly designers, so its production of knowledge and ideas rather than anything physically tangible).

My most stressed periods in the workplace during my career have all been when I was production - especially with lawyers as clients.  My most stressed period (which included some stress-related time off work) was before I was a director.  I am significantly less stressed now I side-step most interaction with external clients.

Plus, I like my job, and it's meaningful, important and rewarding.  I make a (hopefully significant) contribution to all our people going home safe every day.  That matters. 

Thanks for this real life experience. It is clients that cause the stress, agreed. I suppose it depends which industry you are in and the risks involved to the workers on the front line too. 

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