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Peter.Eagle@ecchcic.nhs.uk  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2024 10:13:39(UTC)
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Peter.Eagle@ecchcic.nhs.uk

Like most workplaces everything is classed as Health & Safety, especially if you look hard enough. The latest amendment to this Act has been firmly pushed in my direction to lead on. Although I believe Health & Safety has an important role to play in it, I believe responsibilty should lay elsewhere. Would love to hear others opinions on this. Thanks

Kate  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2024 10:31:05(UTC)
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Kate

Is this the one about preventing sexual harassment of employees?

If so then I am baffled as to how H&S could set about this.

The CIPD (representing the HR community) set out what they think needs to be done in organisations to comply with this and I struggle to see how the poor old H&S person could do it:

https://www.cipd.org/uk/views-and-insights/thought-leadership/cipd-voice/new-duty-to-prevent-sexual-harassment/

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peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2024 11:14:12(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Peter, your first posting here, so welcome to the Forums.

Unfortunately the Safety Industry, as it is becoming an Industry in its own right currently has a vogue for thinking that YOU the OSH professional should be a "leader" on anything that might vaguely impact on the health and wellbeing of the workforce or for that matter anyone else.

I can entirely understand why an employer might think that this new legislation requires the ubiquitous "risk assessment" and might think "Ah, H&S are good at risk assessment, so let's get them involved".

But there is a difference between "involvement" and "taking the lead".

Sound to me predominantly an issue for HR to be leading on - seems from Kate's posting that CIPD agree - so time to say "NO!" and ask the bosses to get HR to do what they are the specialists in?

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Kate  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2024 12:26:04(UTC)
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Kate

The term "safety industry" is one of my pet hates - and it's a term that seems to have come into vogue in the last few years, often being seen in IOSH Magazine for example.

I don't work in the safety industry - I work in the manufacturing industry, or the engineering industry, or the industry of whoever my employer or client is at the time.  An industry produces something.  The poor old health and safety person just tries to get them to produce it while not harming their workers unnecessarily.

When safety is seen as an industry in its own right, its product might indeed be seen, as Peter suggests, as risk assessments.  But risk assessments are not a product - they are just a risk management tool.  And they exist in many other fields outside health and safety (such as the risk of children being abused by their families, or of convicts re-offending after release).

Of course sexual harassment is a harm that workers can suffer - but so are being underpaid, cheated and otherwise exploited, none of which are matters that the H&S person has any power to address.  All of this kind of stuff being put on to H&S to do is really just an admission that the organisation doesn't care about it, and isn't serious enough about it to assign it to someone with the authority and resources to deal with it properly.

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A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 23 October 2024 09:19:42(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

H&S are often drawn into doing this sort of thing as there is often a limited appetite for managing processes in many organisations; in factory they like to make things; in a school they like to teach pupils; in a big organisations they like to write policies etc.  H&S stand to one side of this and monitor what’s going on and ensure that it complies with what every requirements exist. That is why it gets lumped in with Quality Management and environmental issues. Our job is to sprinkle our magic dust and make everything nice and compliant while the rest of the organisation gets on with the JOB.  Peter is right about risk assessment which started off as a H&S concept but is now used   as a substitute for really thinking about the job. So don’t think; just send to H&S and they sort it out!

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