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Eddy  
#1 Posted : 05 April 2017 13:26:46(UTC)
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Eddy

Folks

I was hoping someone can help me.  I have been asked for some advice on a caustic soda tank clean project.  The tank is aproximately 15000 litres capacity, however there is a small quantity of crystalised caustic soda which needs to be removed.  (residue)  I would like to avoid entry into the tank where possible.  A colleague has suggested we add a significant amout of water to the tank with the hope to get the crystalised caustic into a solution which can be pumped to a specialist chemical tanker.  My concern is when adding water there is a chemical reaction.  Is there any practioner with chemical experience that could advise me.  Eddy

Kate  
#2 Posted : 05 April 2017 14:07:01(UTC)
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Kate

The water will just dissolve the caustic soda, producing an alkaline solution with corrosive properties.  There are no other reaction products or heat generation to worry about.  The chemical reaction would be written as NaOH (solid) -> Na+ (aqueous) + OH- (aqueous),  which is just a dissolution process and gives back just what the tank presumably contained in the first place before it was emptied - caustic soda solution.    Washing with water is also a usual thing to do with this kind of tank, and you are right to want to avoid entry if possible.

walker  
#3 Posted : 05 April 2017 14:14:44(UTC)
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walker

In its dry state this stuff is a very hazardous dust, so dilution is the way to go.

Depending on what you mean by "small quatity" it might be acceptable to just flush it into the sewer if you dilute it enough.

ADAM77  
#4 Posted : 05 April 2017 14:35:29(UTC)
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ADAM77

Hi 

 Used to do this kind of operation a lot, processes releasing tanks / vessels for maintenance etc. Standard process was just to flush with water to remove residue. Then if CSE was required then flush until pH neutral then ‘gas free’ the tank / vessel.

So, for me just water flush, provide chemical PPE in case of splashback.

Regards,

 

Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 05 April 2017 15:12:07(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Maybe not the best Forum for your question.

Starter for 10:

http://www.oxy.com/OurBusinesses/Chemicals/Products/Documents/CausticSoda/caustic.pdf

Do an edit/find on 'cleaning'.

Eddy  
#6 Posted : 06 April 2017 08:16:50(UTC)
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Eddy

Thanks for all your replies much appreciated. 

Some further feedback that I have got regarding adding water to Sodium Hydroxide Solution (47%) which I previously called caustic soda has suggested that a significant amout of heat will be generated.  Tanks are made of mild steel.  Quantities hard to estimate, however would estimate less 300 kg.  It basically residue in the tanks.  If we were to flush with 3000 litres of water in a short space of time would the heat generated be of any real significance. Any guidance appreciated.  Eddy 

Granlund40055  
#7 Posted : 06 April 2017 08:49:30(UTC)
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Granlund40055

Addition of water to solid NaOH can produce a very significant amount of heat.  I recall from a training video some time ago that this reaction blinded an operator at a soft drinks manufacturer when he was mixing a cleaning solution.  He added water to the dry granules in a container and stirred it - it boiled and he was sprayed in the face with the resulting solution.

We add 25kg of sodium hydroxide to approx 300 litres of water at 20 oC in a cleaning bath.  The temperature rises to 70 oC.

I think when you add the water to the solid you may get localised boiling.  But I don't know if a rapid addition of copious amounts would add cold water which would mix and cool the whole, or just cause a more rapid heat evolution.  You probably need advice from a chemical engineer - sorry.

Ian

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