I'm pretty sure this is one of those 'somebody is talking rubbish' cases (at least, I hope...)

I've got someone who is absolutely adamant that a specific PEEP is required for any employee who is less than 20 years old.

1: Please assure this is rubbish.

2: Does anyone have any idea where they might have come up with this?  I can't find even a hint of it on a quick web search.

Originally Posted by: CptBeaky

Sorry I can't help, but I do want to know what PEEP stands for, it is one that has passed me by.

Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan - any special arrangements for getting a person who can't follow the 'normal' evacuation arrangements out of a building oif e.g. the fire alarm goes off.

The aim of a Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan (PEEP) is to provide people with any form of disability, who cannot be adequately protected by the standard fire safety provisions within premises, with a similar level of safety from the effects of fire as all other occupants.

So, it is not about age as you have been informed. 

This is an extension of your duty to ensure a suitable and sufficient risk assessment is undertaken to ensure appropriate and adequate controls are in place. The phrase and anacronym have been coined from the fact in these circumstances you might be dealing with individuals who have a specific disability that impeeds there safe access and egress in the event of an emergency.

Schools would have fun wouldn't they ;-)

PEEPs (Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan) are used for people who have a problem which makes evacuating a building in case of an emergency more difficult and who may need assistance to evacuate.  PEEPs can be used for a temporary problem or a permanent problem.  You do not write them from people purely based on age.  You might need to do a personal risk assessment for young workers under the age of 18 spelling out what they can and can't do in the workplace and what additional measures in terms of supervision they might need but you certainly would not do this by generating a PEEP so someone is either talking rubbish or has mis-understood what a PEEP is. 

Originally Posted by: achrn

So now we need to update the instructions at all the call points...

I would suggest that you also need to consider 'ownership' of instructions and configuration / amendment controls.

Originally Posted by: SNS

Originally Posted by: achrn

So now we need to update the instructions at all the call points...

I would suggest that you also need to consider 'ownership' of instructions and configuration / amendment controls.

This is utterly outside our process / procedures.  No-one should have done this, our procedures have clear written / reviewed / approved signoffs, which do apply to the fire instructions documents but on this occasion someone apparently just went ahead and changed the fire instructions throughout the building.  I don't think you can legislate in a system for someone taking it into their head to do something utterly outside the system.

If someone  takes it into their head to go round and put up some safety posters of their own devising, how do you prevent that?

No-one is admitting anything, however.

[To return to my very first question – the person who was adamant was adamant because they had read it in the official fire instruction document – so when I was asking why it was in the document, it turns out they were saying it was required because they had it read it in the document.  Having cleared up that circularity, I still don’t know how it got there in the first place, or when.]

Cut copy and paste of another client's report?

If the procedure is an electronic document ( Microsoft word etc) in your system, just look in explorer or document itself to see who was the last person to update it.

My money is on Karen in HR, because they copied a document off the internet insead of producing their own as normal.

Chris

I am pretty sure this person who is adamant thet a PEEP is required for young persons has his or her wires crossed.

Article 9 of the Fire Safety Order does mention young persons:

9.—(1) The responsible person must make a suitable and sufficient assessment of the risks to which relevant persons are exposed for the purpose of identifying the general fire precautions he needs to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed on him by or under this Order.

(2) Where a dangerous substance is or is liable to be present in or on the premises, the risk assessment must include consideration of the matters set out in Part 1 of Schedule 1.

(3) Any such assessment must be reviewed by the responsible person regularly so as to keep it up to date and particularly if—

(a)there is reason to suspect that it is no longer valid; or

(b)there has been a significant change in the matters to which it relates including when the premises, special, technical and organisational measures, or organisation of the work undergo significant changes, extensions, or conversions,

and where changes to an assessment are required as a result of any such review, the responsible person must make them.

(4) The responsible person must not employ a young person unless he has, in relation to risks to young persons, made or reviewed an assessment in accordance with paragraphs (1) and (5).

(5) In making or reviewing the assessment, the responsible person who employs or is to employ a young person must take particular account of the matters set out in Part 2 of Schedule 1.

Article 2 of The Fire Safety Order defines a young persons as: “young person” means any person who has not attained the age of 18.

I suggest  that it is this requirement and the need to record 'persons especially at risk - that would include young persons' is the cause for the confusion and frankly daft idea of a PEEP for all youngsters