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Steve Tate  
#1 Posted : 05 December 2019 11:53:52(UTC)
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Steve Tate

Hi everyone, we currently have a policy in place that allows us to breathe test anyone who comes onto our sites that our site manager feels is under the influence of alcohol.

I am now looking to take this one stage further & introduce random drug testing (as per our policy) however, I am unsure of the test kit to purchase. we would want something rather basic so little or zero training is required.

Does anyone know of a kit that is widely used & accepted in the construction industry.

Just to be clear, we also carry out health surveillance on our sites however, these are pre planned.

Holliday42333  
#2 Posted : 05 December 2019 13:36:28(UTC)
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Holliday42333

We use the saliva kits linked below.  They are easy to use.

The sales pitch would suggest they are very reliable and we haven't have any issues to date one way or the other.

http://www.matrixdiagnostics.co.uk/product-category/oral-fluid-multidrug-screening-tests/

Hsquared14  
#3 Posted : 05 December 2019 14:14:34(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Be careful - I would suggest that you do a lot more reading up about this before you buy any kits.  It is essential that you have chain of custody training for evidence otherwise you could find yourself with a real problem if people challenge the results, challenge your right to ask them to submit to the test or claim discrimination or victimisation after taking the test.  This isn't something you should embark on by just finding some cheap kits on the internet!

Holliday42333  
#4 Posted : 05 December 2019 14:52:40(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Originally Posted by: Hsquared14 Go to Quoted Post

Be careful - I would suggest that you do a lot more reading up about this before you buy any kits.  It is essential that you have chain of custody training for evidence otherwise you could find yourself with a real problem if people challenge the results, challenge your right to ask them to submit to the test or claim discrimination or victimisation after taking the test.  This isn't something you should embark on by just finding some cheap kits on the internet!


You are absolutely right Hsquared, it can be a minefield.

One of the benefits of Matrix is they back the saliva tests up with a urine pack with full chain of custody records.

Once you have your ducks in a row it is fairly straight forward though and problems are actually rare.

jmaclaughlin  
#5 Posted : 05 December 2019 15:31:29(UTC)
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jmaclaughlin

Pretty standard procedure on most large constructions sites, mandatory on LU/DLR & Network Rail infrastructure.

What you could do is use the urine pack with the peel off strips as an indicator and anybody flagged as positive being  immediately sent to certified test centre.

Obviously your drugs and alcohol for cause/random/post incident/periodic  testing policy would be part of a mandatory site induction.

Hsquared14  
#6 Posted : 05 December 2019 15:34:56(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Originally Posted by: Holliday42333 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Hsquared14 Go to Quoted Post

Be careful - I would suggest that you do a lot more reading up about this before you buy any kits.  It is essential that you have chain of custody training for evidence otherwise you could find yourself with a real problem if people challenge the results, challenge your right to ask them to submit to the test or claim discrimination or victimisation after taking the test.  This isn't something you should embark on by just finding some cheap kits on the internet!

That's good to know as I am looking at the same issues myself for LGV drivers and MHE operators and recently hit a brick wall with our Corporate H&S team over the issues of chain of custody and burden of proof!!

You are absolutely right Hsquared, it can be a minefield.

One of the benefits of Matrix is they back the saliva tests up with a urine pack with full chain of custody records.

Once you have your ducks in a row it is fairly straight forward though and problems are actually rare.


Acorns  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2019 07:52:20(UTC)
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Acorns

It's always disappointing to see comments such as above that the "Corporate H&S Team" find reasons not to progress H&S matters when things like evidence continuity is so easy to solve etc.   Hope great and progressive it would have been if comments about these Teams was that they'd identified issues but provided solutions.    If an H&S Team can't find a sound safety solution should they really be part of that team

Rant over.

back to the OP, lots of companies have great drug/alcohol test systems in place, it's solvable.  Good luck

Hsquared14  
#8 Posted : 06 December 2019 11:13:44(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Originally Posted by: AcornsConsult Go to Quoted Post

It's always disappointing to see comments such as above that the "Corporate H&S Team" find reasons not to progress H&S matters when things like evidence continuity is so easy to solve etc.   Hope great and progressive it would have been if comments about these Teams was that they'd identified issues but provided solutions.    If an H&S Team can't find a sound safety solution should they really be part of that team

Rant over.

back to the OP, lots of companies have great drug/alcohol test systems in place, it's solvable.  Good luck

I'm working on it!!

Mark-W  
#9 Posted : 10 December 2019 09:00:36(UTC)
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Mark-W

1 of my clients hgas a drugs and alcohol policy. It gets used infrequently, and only when we a strong suspicion that they are using.

We have saliva test kits. I conduct the testing and if they are positive then they are sent home and told to return when they have a negative blood test from their Dr. Once that is done they then go through the discipline process. Where they are offered help with their problem.

All the staff caught and tested that provided a positive result have never questioned this and it's been run past our HR consultants. Wether it would stand up in a court of law is a different matter

When I conduct the test, I have no contact with any piece of the testing kit. I hold the box and the 3 pieces are selected at random from the box by the employee themselves

Edited by user 10 December 2019 09:01:42(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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