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A Kurdziel  
#1 Posted : 06 January 2020 11:22:29(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

New Year new stupid question- is ELECSA an appropriate qualification for someone doing electrical work at a University campus? I have looked at the website and it mentions part P for domestic and then mentions other schemes but it does not make it clear if is suitable for someone doing general electrical tasks in a non-domestic setting.

paul.skyrme  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2020 12:49:10(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Membership of one of the "competent person schemes" is not a qualification, it is a subscription, a desk audit of information provided by the applicant and then a basic site visit and assessment lasting at the most 1 day.

Some of the schemes audit the company and one person, and then allow many more to work for that audited company under the banner, others undertake individual assessments of the operatives.

ELECSA is a brand of Certsure, they only assess for domestic works, no more.

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A Kurdziel on 07/01/2020(UTC)
Clark34486  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2020 15:09:31(UTC)
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Clark34486

Best source of information on electrical competency is JIB (joint industry board) Electrotechnical. (ECS)

There are a vast range of competencies within the spectrum of electrical work, one size does not fit all.

Part P was designed unskilled persons who had to 'throw in' a spur during a kitchen fit out etc.

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A Kurdziel on 07/01/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 07 January 2020 15:24:01(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I was reviewing the policy and this came up and it looked wrong. 

Cheers
Clark34486  
#5 Posted : 07 January 2020 15:27:34(UTC)
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Clark34486

AK, please take a peek at the free downloads here https://www.jib.org.uk/publications.aspx

Particularly page 7/8 onwards of JIB608, really useful info.

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A Kurdziel on 08/01/2020(UTC)
paul.skyrme  
#6 Posted : 08 January 2020 12:48:18(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

I would caution blind faith in the JIB card system, and I say that as a Gold JIB card holder.

The qualification verification does not verify the certificates with the awarding body, they are taken on face value.

There is no practical assesment, there is no interview to asses knowledge, the test is 45 basic H&S multi choice questions from a bank of 300 which are published by the JIB as a learning resource.

There is no proof or assessment of competence, it is simply a desk audit of information provided solely by the candidate, there is evidence that some candidates have proided false information.

There are thousands of fake JIB cards in the workplace, whole dedicated workshops have been found imply printing fake CSCS & JIB cards to order.

The issue of fake cards is being addressed, but due to GDPR this is hindered as card holders are allowed to opt out of their deails being searchable by hiring organisations.

Remember also, that all of the schemes only refer to works related to BS 7671, so the fixed wiring in the building, none of this covers machinery which comes under the Machinery Directive.

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A Kurdziel on 08/01/2020(UTC)
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