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cjr  
#1 Posted : 20 January 2020 15:45:13(UTC)
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cjr

Hello

I could do with some input on this one!

We have a coffee machine that is rented, and the topic of the Written Scheme of Examination has come up.

Would you class the Espresso machie as "mobile" or "fixed"?

Thanks!  

Gasman  
#2 Posted : 20 January 2020 16:13:14(UTC)
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Gasman

Originally Posted by: cjr Go to Quoted Post

Hello

I could do with some input on this one!

We have a coffee machine that is rented, and the topic of the Written Scheme of Examination has come up.

Would you class the Espresso machie as "mobile" or "fixed"?

Thanks!  

Fixed,as it will hookupto mains and I presume a fixed water supply? 

cjr  
#3 Posted : 21 January 2020 09:17:51(UTC)
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cjr

Yeah it is mains powered and has a mains water inlet, I was hoping this was the case, was just making sure.

stevedm  
#4 Posted : 21 January 2020 10:07:44(UTC)
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stevedm

2. (1) Subject to sub-paragraph (2), regulations 5(4), 8 to 10 and 14 shall not apply to a pressure system containing a relevant fluid (other than steam) if the product of the pressure in bar and internal volume in litres of its pressure vessels is in each case less than 250 bar litres.

cjr  
#5 Posted : 21 January 2020 10:16:05(UTC)
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cjr

Originally Posted by: stevedm Go to Quoted Post

2. (1) Subject to sub-paragraph (2), regulations 5(4), 8 to 10 and 14 shall not apply to a pressure system containing a relevant fluid (other than steam) if the product of the pressure in bar and internal volume in litres of its pressure vessels is in each case less than 250 bar litres.

Hi Steve, unfortunately the pressure system contains steam so it wouldn't rule it out, i was hoping to cling on to that when this landed on my desk! 

A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 21 January 2020 11:01:43(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

It just so happens that I have been reviewing our policy for pressure systems at work. The 250 Bar Litres rule is the cut off point for when a full Written Scheme of Examination is required but the policy makes it clear that even if the vessel in question does not qualify for the full application of the pressure systems regs, PUWER still applies and there needs to be some systematic approach to inspection and maintenance but not necessarily in accordance with the pressures system regs.

ttxela  
#7 Posted : 21 January 2020 11:03:17(UTC)
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ttxela

Interesting, pretty sure our leased one doesn't have a written scheme but on reading the guidance I wonder if it should. I'll see if the leasing company has done one.....

ttxela  
#8 Posted : 21 January 2020 13:11:44(UTC)
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ttxela

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

It just so happens that I have been reviewing our policy for pressure systems at work. The 250 Bar Litres rule is the cut off point for when a full Written Scheme of Examination is required but the policy makes it clear that even if the vessel in question does not qualify for the full application of the pressure systems regs, PUWER still applies and there needs to be some systematic approach to inspection and maintenance but not necessarily in accordance with the pressures system regs.

But thats for everything except steam isn't it? By chance I have an inspector on site today and asked him about ours, he was of the firm opinion it needed a written scheme under PSSR. Of course asking the person who takes the money for doing work if you need work done doesn't always result in the best advice but I'm thinking given the exception for steam in the regs he's probably right.

Xavier123  
#9 Posted : 21 January 2020 13:35:27(UTC)
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Xavier123

Yes, steam pressure vessel. So written scheme and thorough examination is required.

HSE FAQs cover it. https://www.hse.gov.uk/pressure-systems/faq.htm

Depending on arrangements though, i.e. leased, that duty to develop the scheme and undertake the examination may well fall upon the owner of the equipment - 'user of installed or owner of mobile' equipment.

They can go bang though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11320258

Dave5705  
#10 Posted : 21 January 2020 18:14:10(UTC)
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Dave5705

Originally Posted by: Xavier123 Go to Quoted Post

They can go bang though.

They certainly can!!

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