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scott.commons  
#1 Posted : 03 February 2020 09:25:14(UTC)
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scott.commons

Hi All,

I need to have a member of our staff trained in First aider at work. 

there is a member of staff that has completed casualty care in mountain rescue, but I have been told that this will not cover us in work and she will need to attend the 3 day FAW course even though the course already taken in mountain rescue covers a lot in depth. is this to do with the legal side of things as I know they have a legal requirement of topics to be trained in?

thanks 

Scott 

 

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 03 February 2020 09:47:55(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

First aid at work is first aid for work situations while mountain rescue casualty evacuation is just that.  We did have a qualified medical doctor on one site and he had to do the First aid at work course to become a first aider (he passed first time!)

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scott.commons on 03/02/2020(UTC)
ttxela  
#3 Posted : 03 February 2020 11:29:15(UTC)
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ttxela

I've not done mountain First Aid but I have done a course in underground first aid for cave/mine rescue. It was very different to the First Aid at Work course so it probably makes sense to re-train in any case.

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scott.commons on 03/02/2020(UTC)
HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 03 February 2020 16:35:31(UTC)
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HSSnail

Its up to you these days to decide on a pproraite first aid - HSE no longer approves training providers. But they do provide this advice.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/geis3.pdf

Its a bit of a dry read but it does say

Alternative qualifications – where such qualifications are being used for the purposes of the Health and Safety (First-Aid) Regulations 1981, the syllabus should contain appropriate content to address the findings of the first-aid needs assessment. This is likely to contain elements common to, or indeed all the topics listed in the syllabus for FAW (see Appendix 1). The duration of training (not including breaks) should be based on comparison of the proposed syllabus content with that for FAW and the time adjusted accordingly.

So might be worth getting the mountain rescue sylibus etc to guide your decision.

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 03 February 2020 18:29:37(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Its about the context.

Mountain rescue will be focused on the injuries and presentation associated with climbing / skiing / walking accidents and the longer hand over period getting the casualty down the mountain or airlifted to hospital.

At Work covers the whole (less fit) population suffering injuries common to the workplace and typically transferred to a hospital in under an hour.

Back when I held First Aid certificates I obtained Public but then had to undergo a similar course for At Work the difference being no paediatrics associated with the latter.

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 03 February 2020 18:29:37(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Its about the context.

Mountain rescue will be focused on the injuries and presentation associated with climbing / skiing / walking accidents and the longer hand over period getting the casualty down the mountain or airlifted to hospital.

At Work covers the whole (less fit) population suffering injuries common to the workplace and typically transferred to a hospital in under an hour.

Back when I held First Aid certificates I obtained Public but then had to undergo a similar course for At Work the difference being no paediatrics associated with the latter.

stevedm  
#7 Posted : 04 February 2020 09:47:54(UTC)
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stevedm

the only qualifications that exempt you from FAW is a current registered paramedic, Doctor, Nurse Level 4 FPoS...if the course was certificated to Level 4 FPoS then you are good to go...however be careful the it does need to be certificated and providers can vary in quality... 

lorna  
#8 Posted : 04 February 2020 11:13:33(UTC)
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lorna

When I needed first aiders - I had some but not enough - I accepted different qualifications, mainly from the 1 day EFAW, until a course could be arranged. I did check what they'd done against the guidance - but as we had several sports injuries & minor bumps, I considered that somebody with a Sports or Mountain First Aid certificate could deal with it safely.

Zyggy  
#9 Posted : 04 February 2020 14:37:43(UTC)
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Zyggy

On a similar note to other responses, I work for a Premier League Football Club & we are trained in Emergency First Aid which concentrates on our specific scenarios , but still has the core elements of CPR etc.

As an aside, we were taught how to deal with an asthma attack whilst somebody was seated in the Stands & a few weeks later my young son had a major attack at home & I was able to utilise my newly gained skills with great results!!

Edited by user 04 February 2020 14:39:10(UTC)  | Reason: Fat fingers!

stevedm  
#10 Posted : 05 February 2020 07:07:53(UTC)
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stevedm

...there are a number of courses out there that enhance the FAW including those covering Chemicals and Confined spaces...the core syllabus is still FAW for the workplace and although you all may consider those that have other qualifications...FAW only exempts those with the qualifications as stated before...that said if all you need is a appointed person then it is covered with a little bit more....

Don't get hung up on moral duties here as we all have some part to play in attempting to save a life...look at compliance with FAW first and then you can enhance it based on your needs... 

Anna W  
#11 Posted : 05 February 2020 14:51:20(UTC)
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Anna W

Check the website of the certification authority. 

We accepted an RYA first aid certificate as an appointed person as the syllabus stated that it fulfilled the requirements of he Health and Safety (First Aid) Regulations, 1981 for the purposes of Emergency First Aid at Work.

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