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MJT110474  
#1 Posted : 01 April 2020 11:39:51(UTC)
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MJT110474

Hi All,

I'm the Purchasing Manager and H&S Coordinator for a company that employs 21 people between an office, a fabrication workshop and a machining workshop. My question is, is ISO 45001 practicable and affordable for such a small company, and if so, how would I go about bringing it in place. If not, is 18001 more appropriate?

Thanks in advance

Kate  
#2 Posted : 01 April 2020 12:59:04(UTC)
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Kate

18001 is being discontinued so in reality your choice is 45001 or neither.

You have two options, to just build a management system based on ISO 45001 or to do that then get external certification for it.

It's certainly practicable.  Whether it is worth doing depends on the benefits you hope for from it.  Is it something your customers want to see?

Bigmac1  
#3 Posted : 01 April 2020 13:03:31(UTC)
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Bigmac1

I have done this for small companies, do you have 9001?

It is a game changer in terms of winning new bigger contracts.

The new standards are written with small companies in mind. But you need knowledge of the standards and have auditing programmes in place by competent people.

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 01 April 2020 17:07:59(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Unless you are missing out on lucrative business through not having the certificate then like all management systems it is a burden both financially and in consuming what will be limited resources. Yes there are benefits in formalising working systems and practices but you can do this without paying a certification provider.

Typically this falls in to the scope of the construction sector PQQ trinity - any  time there is a job tendered those with the three certificates (Quality, Environment, H&S) tend to go through to the next level of decision making.

Despite the original BSI hard sell at the launch of BS 5750 (now ISO 9001) you will be surprised how many businesses can, and do, trade without any management systems certificates.

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 01 April 2020 17:07:59(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Unless you are missing out on lucrative business through not having the certificate then like all management systems it is a burden both financially and in consuming what will be limited resources. Yes there are benefits in formalising working systems and practices but you can do this without paying a certification provider.

Typically this falls in to the scope of the construction sector PQQ trinity - any  time there is a job tendered those with the three certificates (Quality, Environment, H&S) tend to go through to the next level of decision making.

Despite the original BSI hard sell at the launch of BS 5750 (now ISO 9001) you will be surprised how many businesses can, and do, trade without any management systems certificates.

chris42  
#6 Posted : 02 April 2020 08:42:09(UTC)
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chris42

Yes I remember the sell for BS5750, which part of it was that once you had it you would not have to waste time with PQQ’s! Well that really turned out to be BS didn’t it. ( I have a VHS tape with that on somewhere)

As others stated, look at customer requirements and if not required why not just work to it in general, but not pay out to have it certified externally. These people know how to charge (£225 just for a paper copy of the cert!, and over £800 per day audit costs all added up). NB you may find it cheaper to buy the standard direct from ISO than BSI. Make sure they tell you ALL the costs in advance ie mileage etc

Chris

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rsherl01  
#7 Posted : 21 January 2021 23:32:34(UTC)
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rsherl01

Hi Folks, 

Looking for some help here. Our company has given me the task to get 45001 accreditation. I have been through the standard but keep getting muddled. Perhaps I am over complicating it. Would anyone be so kind as to share their HS Management System with me to help me try get the ball rolling. Appreciate it is a cheeky request but I genuinely am stuck in neutral on this one. 

Kate  
#8 Posted : 22 January 2021 08:10:48(UTC)
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Kate

Someone else's management system isn't going to help you get ISO 45001.

To get the ball rolling you need to start with a gap analysis.  Write down each requirement of the standard and then whether (and if so how) you are already meeting it.  (Unless your company is truly shocking you will already be doing a lot of it.)  Then work out how to fill the gaps.

If you feel you are muddled about the requirements of the standard, then there are two ways to help clear this up.

1. Talk to your Quality Manager - I am supposing here that your business has ISO 9001?  ISO 45001 is so similar to ISO 9001 that if you have one, it's not so difficult to get the other and you can use a lot of the same documentation

2. Go on a course on implementing ISO 45001 (this is typically a two-day course and often run by certification providers)

Of course you can also ask specific questions here, or feel free to PM me with anything specific.

A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 22 January 2021 09:56:22(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Wasn’t there a PAS that combined ISO 9001 and 45000 and 140001?

allanwood  
#10 Posted : 26 January 2021 17:06:44(UTC)
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allanwood

I can highly recommend the following book for anyone wanting to go own the ISO 45001 route:

Providing Safe & Healthy Workplace with ISO 45001 (implementation of OHSMS)

By Ramesh C Grover & Sachin Grover.

Regards

Allan 

Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 26 January 2021 18:16:52(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Why would I want a book with someone elses ideas about implementing a standard in an organsisation the authors have not worked in?

Roundtuit  
#12 Posted : 26 January 2021 18:16:52(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Why would I want a book with someone elses ideas about implementing a standard in an organsisation the authors have not worked in?

Karen Maxwell  
#13 Posted : 03 February 2021 18:10:08(UTC)
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Karen Maxwell

Hi all, I have been working on our management systems for quite some time and also completed a few different gap analysis for 45001 and both Quality and myself feel we are now ready to get an external independent reviewer/assessor to look at this before we go for certification. Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts on this or some recommendations on who/how. Thanks very much

Gerry Knowles  
#14 Posted : 09 February 2021 11:03:47(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

Wasn’t there a PAS that combined ISO 9001 and 45000 and 140001?

We used to use the old PAS 99 which was in effect the forerunner of the Annex SL which is now used as the skeleton of the current crop of ISO's.  It was helpful and allowed us to put in plase a number of three standard integrated management systems. 
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