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AnnS  
#1 Posted : 15 April 2020 12:27:18(UTC)
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AnnS

I work in an NHS Trust and there is a current debate amongst my HR colleagues as to when we should be reporting potential exposure to COVID 19 as a dangerous occurrence under RIDDOR.  I am aware of the guidance from the HSE and I am clear on my views, but would appreciate your thoughts please.

Edited by user 15 April 2020 12:28:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

RayatEDP  
#2 Posted : 15 April 2020 13:06:27(UTC)
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RayatEDP

Firstly, I do not work for the NHS or the Care sector. For me the 'dangerous occurrence' requirements for exposure to coronavirus has the least clarity:

'If something happens at work which results in (or could result in) the release or escape of coronavirus you must report this as a dangerous occurrence.'

Please correct me if I am wrong, but the most likely example of the above would be for the virus to be 'carried' out of an isolated environment and into an area frequented by other unprotected employees, contractors or visitors resulting in potential or confirmed exposure e.g. contaminated PPE. The bracketed words 'or could result in' is the same as 'potential'. There must be many more potential scenarios in a busy hospital/medical facility that under-reporting such cases is a given

A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 15 April 2020 13:11:47(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

You should only report any actual disease (illness) that might be attributed to an occupational exposure to a biological agent.  From the tone of your thread you seem to be concerned as to whether you feel that the measures that your employer is using in relation to Covid-19 are adequate. You should first the employer for a copy of the risk assessment that they have done for this as required under Reg 6 of COSHH and then see if the controls are suitable in relation to the risk assessment.

RayatEDP  
#4 Posted : 15 April 2020 13:23:48(UTC)
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RayatEDP

All I was trying to do was interpret the guidance from the HSE regarding coronavirus:

'If something happens at work which results in (or could result in) the release or escape of coronavirus you must report this as a dangerous occurrence.'

The words in brackets introduce 'potential' - so it might not have resulted in coronavirus being transmitted.

Personally think the Dangerous Occurrence interpretation does not fit this kind of scenario

chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 15 April 2020 14:07:41(UTC)
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chris.packham

Unless you were a healthcare organisation treating people with known coronavirus infection or a laboratory working with the virus how would you know whether there was release? A person sneezing does not immediately imply emission of the virus unless it were known that they were infected (in which case they should be appropriately isolated or wearing suitable PPE).  Also, the effect on someone else would not be immediately apparent, so how would you know that it was the first person's sneeze that caused that other person to be diagnosed some days later with COVID-19?

Would you know that the surface that someone had had contact with in your workplace was infected and it was the transfer of the virus from that surface (as opposed to some other exposure, not at work) that has resulted in their becoming infected?

I think it is important to keep some sense of reality here.

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A Kurdziel on 15/04/2020(UTC), AnnS on 15/04/2020(UTC), flysafe on 16/04/2020(UTC)
HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 15 April 2020 14:11:54(UTC)
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HSSnail

Have always interprited "accidental realease" was specificaly about laboritory situation where you are knowingly handling the biological agent and something goes wronge - like dropping the test tube and it shatters! Or where you break into a building and disturn material whicj upon testing turns out to be asbestos. Would never think of working with people as an accidental release.

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Kate on 15/04/2020(UTC)
chris.packham  
#7 Posted : 16 April 2020 10:07:39(UTC)
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chris.packham

The Society of Occupational Medicine has just sent me a response on this topic from the HSE. This is extremely detailed and, in my view, comprehensive and clear statement of when a COVID-19 infection becomes reportable under RIDDOR.

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A Kurdziel on 16/04/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 16 April 2020 10:22:46(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Chris

I have just looked at the SOM website and not seen anything about this on the non-members area. Can you share what they said with us non-members?

 

Thanks

chris.packham  
#9 Posted : 16 April 2020 11:22:16(UTC)
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chris.packham

PM me your e-mail address and I will see what I can do.

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