Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
constantin.baesu@aol.com  
#1 Posted : 09 May 2020 17:18:16(UTC)
Rank: New forum user
constantin.baesu@aol.com

Hello,

Below you will find what I think could be a safety issue.

We were sent 12 people by our company to work abroad. When we were hired, we were told that there would be 2 workers in the room and I thought it was separate beds, which would be logical.

Eh ... surprise, it wasn't like that, but worse, a matrimonial bed for 2 married men with children at home.

You realize that after 10-12 hours of working together, even though you wash, it's still not ok that you don't know what can happen at night and we all need a little discretion, it's shameful and embarrassing happening to someone something like that.

I made complaints, I kept telling them this is not OK but nothing was solved because as they said something with the lack of budget, that better accomodation can't be found and all kinds of lies.

I don't know if this can be related to HSE at work with the fact that we all have diseases that we can transmit (you don't know what each one has) or that CORONA can be transmitted, or with the fact that you don't rest well at night and because of fatigue due to the accommodation conditions, a work accident can happen during the day.

Maybe you know?!

Now the worst part is that one night, my "bedmate", unwittingly, touched me on the genitals, how he turned from sleep, I do not know exactly how, but instinctively, I slapped him with a palm / fist in the face.

In the end we reconciled and continued our sleep to be rested for another hard day of work, only it was not rest at all for me since I am in this situation of sleeping with another totally foreign man in bed.

For now, the situation in the world and the field in which I work does not find much work during this period, so I will have to survive like that for myself and my wife and children.

But I decided not to leave things like that.

That's why I ask your opinion, what can I do?

Could I sue them for inappropriate working conditions?

Could a lawyer help me make a case for this and win because of the traumatic event of that evening?

Can we also claim moral damages and in what amount?

Does anyone who works in the field of Occupational Safety and Health know if this incident can be linked to any law ?

Does anyone working in the field of OSH thinks that my employer is endangering my life through this practice?

And if so, what law does this specify and in what context?Could this situation be related to Occupational safety and health?

I mention that I work in the field of construction and I work at height, being very dangerous for us sometimes.

Do you a think a third party e.g. like a safety officer, a client representative can do something about this?

What do you think I could do for the company I work to learn their lessons?

What do you think about this subject?

We can laugh on this subject and make jokes but also find solutions.

Has anyone had this happen to him?

Thanks!

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 09 May 2020 17:54:50(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Roundtuit

Constantin to help any answer where have you arrived from (from your surname I am guessing Romania or Moldova) and where in the world are you currently working?

Typically most members on this forum consider and respond with consideration to UK law - your post language would indicate you may be elsewhere in the world likely influenced by the USA.

Living arrangements are typically beyond the normal scope of UK legislation (where we consider work activity excepting "live in" carers) however what you describe would fall foul of UK anti-slavery legislation.

thanks 4 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
Kim Hedges on 11/05/2020(UTC), constantin.baesu@aol.com on 17/05/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 11/05/2020(UTC), constantin.baesu@aol.com on 17/05/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 09 May 2020 17:54:50(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Roundtuit

Constantin to help any answer where have you arrived from (from your surname I am guessing Romania or Moldova) and where in the world are you currently working?

Typically most members on this forum consider and respond with consideration to UK law - your post language would indicate you may be elsewhere in the world likely influenced by the USA.

Living arrangements are typically beyond the normal scope of UK legislation (where we consider work activity excepting "live in" carers) however what you describe would fall foul of UK anti-slavery legislation.

thanks 4 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
Kim Hedges on 11/05/2020(UTC), constantin.baesu@aol.com on 17/05/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 11/05/2020(UTC), constantin.baesu@aol.com on 17/05/2020(UTC)
constantin.baesu@aol.com  
#4 Posted : 09 May 2020 19:29:25(UTC)
Rank: New forum user
constantin.baesu@aol.com

Thank you Roundtuit for the answer,

I come from Romania and I work in Germany right now. 

I am hired at a romanian company on a permanent contract which provides services to a german company in the field of construction.

Sorry about my english and it's influenza. 

To be clear, I'm not held as a slave and I'm paid way better than I could be paid in Romania. I can live whenever I want but the situation at home makes me want to stay, but I will take in consideration the anti-slavery opinion and work on it a little bit with the legislation in my country.

I'm pretty sure that UK and RO are pretty much the same in regards to Health & Safety through some convention or by logical and normal thoughts.

Since this is a website on the HSE field, I was wondering if any of the specialists would read my post and give an answer if they would consider it a safety issue and all the other questions I asked. 

I'm sorry if I appear to be vague in my posts. I'm trying to give all necessary details.

Thank you!

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 10 May 2020 12:11:03(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
peter gotch

Constantin

A lot of commonality between the occupational health and safety legislation in the UK and Romania (as of course Germany) as a result of a requirement for each Member State to transpose the requirements of the "Framework Directive" and its various "daughters" including the Temporary or Mobile Construction Sites Directive (TMCSD)

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:01992L0057-20070627 

Annex IV of TMCSD defines some minimum standards for "accommodation" but doesn't go into the sort of detail that would apply to the scenario you describe.

At this time, various Member States have set their own rules to slow the spread of Covid-19. I don't know what rules are in place in Germany, but expecting workers from different households to share the same bed (even if at different times) would be unlikely to meet with whatever Physical Distancing measures have been prescribed in Germany (I guess).

However, I also guess that you probably haven't got trade union representation and this might be a case of "take it or leave it".

Whether the circumstances you describe would meet a test of slave labour would be very dependent on local legislation.

Good luck, Peter

thanks 1 user thanked peter gotch for this useful post.
constantin.baesu@aol.com on 17/05/2020(UTC)
Kate  
#6 Posted : 10 May 2020 19:28:02(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Kate

I wonder if it would be more fruitful to consider human rights legislation rather than safety here.  Being expected to share a bed with someone not your partner doesn't sound like a safety violation to me (infectious diseases aside), but does sound like a violation of dignity, and rings the 'modern slavery' bell for me too even if you don't feel it as enslavement.  Not everyone who would be classed as being in slavery recognises that that is what is happening to them and the definition can encompass more situations than you might expect.

thanks 2 users thanked Kate for this useful post.
Kim Hedges on 11/05/2020(UTC), constantin.baesu@aol.com on 17/05/2020(UTC)
Liddell45728  
#7 Posted : 11 May 2020 08:40:20(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Liddell45728

As Kim suggests, I don't consider this to really be a H&S question. Had that occurred to me, the following morning (or as soon afterwards) I would have booked an appointment with a lawyer ( and informed the company as to the reason for my impending absence). Absolutely not acceptable.

A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 11 May 2020 08:43:48(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
A Kurdziel

This looks like this https://wol.iza.org/news/german-institute-for-human-rights-condemns-heavy-labor-exploitation-of-migrant-workers-in-germany

There are laws in Germany to prevent this but enforcement looks patchy. Does anybody know  wo to report this to? I don’t think it is the police.

A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 11 May 2020 08:50:39(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
A Kurdziel

There is more here about this https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/severe-labour-exploitation-country_de.pdf

The paper is 64 pages long but the summary at the front seem to indicate that although there are laws against this sort of exploitation, enforcement is fragmentary with different agencies in different states( Lander) taking a different approach.  

Users browsing this topic
Guest (3)
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.