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sakura999  
#1 Posted : 12 April 2021 07:48:45(UTC)
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sakura999

Hi all,

I had questions regarding asbestos and thought that someone on the forum could help:

- If you wanted to paint over texture coating on ceiling, would you use encapsulation method and then paint over? Or perhaps, another solution is required?

- I've been looking at short duration - sometimes I've seen no more than 1h for one person working on a job, but in other place I've seen less than 1 hour. Which it is? It's a subtle distinction but no more than 1h means that 1h is acceptable whereas less than 1 hour means that you'll have to stop at 59 minutes. As for more than one person, no more/ less than two hours over consecutive days. I seem to remember that each individual involved shouldn't spend more than 1 hour each. However, when I was trying to look this up online I couldn't find it and was wondering if I hadn't imagined the thing. Could someone confirm?

- If you have an asbestos register with location and condition of asbestos, is a R&D survey still necessary prior to refurbishment/ demolition project.

- Does the asbestos register kept by local government (i.e. Councils) also contains asbestos information about domestic properties, and not just the communal areas/ rooms of the block in which a flat is connected?

Your help is greatly appreciated!

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 12 April 2021 10:02:41(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Regarding surveys a management survey only covers those matters immediately visible without intrusion in to the fabric of the building whereas an R&D survey looks in to all the nooks, crannies, loft spaces....

If all you have is a management survey they you need to obtain an R&D survey to allow adequate planning for any intended refurbishment or demolition.

The local government will not hold information on asbestos in properties they do not own/operate.

Edited by user 12 April 2021 10:03:26(UTC)  | Reason: FFS

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 12 April 2021 10:02:41(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Regarding surveys a management survey only covers those matters immediately visible without intrusion in to the fabric of the building whereas an R&D survey looks in to all the nooks, crannies, loft spaces....

If all you have is a management survey they you need to obtain an R&D survey to allow adequate planning for any intended refurbishment or demolition.

The local government will not hold information on asbestos in properties they do not own/operate.

Edited by user 12 April 2021 10:03:26(UTC)  | Reason: FFS

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jodieclark1510  
#4 Posted : 12 April 2021 10:17:05(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

What has your surveyor or  removals contractor suggested with regards to painting over? The condition of the TC will depend on the options you have.

If you are undertaking intrusive works, an R & D would be required- ACM's can be found pretty much anywhere in a property, management surveys do not intrude to the same extent as an R & D, depending on the age of the building it may be completely reasonable to presume ACM's will be present behind surfaces and coverings.

If asbestos is not something you have alot of experience with, I would suggest getting some assistance with a competent person/ consultant as it is quite a vast field with alot of variance, if it is going to be a regular part of your work, the BOHS P405 course is really good for giving some grounding around managing asbestos, including removals etc.

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sakura999  
#5 Posted : 12 April 2021 11:38:17(UTC)
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sakura999

Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post

Regarding surveys a management survey only covers those matters immediately visible without intrusion in to the fabric of the building whereas an R&D survey looks in to all the nooks, crannies, loft spaces....

If all you have is a management survey they you need to obtain an R&D survey to allow adequate planning for any intended refurbishment or demolition.

The local government will not hold information on asbestos in properties they do not own/operate.


Thank you for your reply. So, a R&D is always necesary then if refurbishment/ demolition is involved. By the way, this is a silly question, but sometimes I see people mention refurbishment survey (without mention of demolition) or other mention pre-demolition/ demolition survey. Are they all basically taking about a R&D survey, but simply calling it a different name? It's confusing me.

In regard to local goverments, if it's a property such as a community centre or a domestic property that they own, then in that case, they would have information on asbestos I assume?

Edited by user 12 April 2021 13:30:43(UTC)  | Reason: Added missing info

sakura999  
#6 Posted : 12 April 2021 11:42:18(UTC)
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sakura999

Originally Posted by: jodieclark1510 Go to Quoted Post

What has your surveyor or  removals contractor suggested with regards to painting over? The condition of the TC will depend on the options you have.

If you are undertaking intrusive works, an R & D would be required- ACM's can be found pretty much anywhere in a property, management surveys do not intrude to the same extent as an R & D, depending on the age of the building it may be completely reasonable to presume ACM's will be present behind surfaces and coverings.

If asbestos is not something you have alot of experience with, I would suggest getting some assistance with a competent person/ consultant as it is quite a vast field with alot of variance, if it is going to be a regular part of your work, the BOHS P405 course is really good for giving some grounding around managing asbestos, including removals etc.


My work doesn't involve dealing with asbestos much. However, I just wanted to have some information about it as I've been reading regulations and guidance documents and had some questions. 

The query about TC was a hypothetical scenario, as I wanted to have an idea. Sorry to bother you, but what are potential options depending on condition?

peter gotch  
#7 Posted : 12 April 2021 20:54:43(UTC)
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peter gotch

Sakura

Hypothtically, the starting point (given that your Forum profile indicates that you are in London) is HSG245.

So, this sets out the distinction between what should be done for a Management Survey and what should be done for an R&D survey (which might be for a whole structure or only part(s).

Quite frequently you will find that a survey report of either type is likely to raise suspicions that the survey has NOT been done as it should have been either recently or prior to HSG245, when there were Types 1, 2 and 3 surveys.

Your hypothetical textured coating may or may not have asbestos in it. The surveyor may have assumed the presence of asbestos without sampling.

So, you need to understand the basis on which the assessment says that there IS asbestos and also consider the condition of the material. If in good condition, might be best left in situ, so possibly encapsulate and paint over.

If in poor, "friable" condition, then may be best to bring in the specialists and remove it. 

But there are lots of ifs and buts in your Q.

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