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mtaylor  
#1 Posted : 13 August 2021 09:36:07(UTC)
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mtaylor

I am looking it develop a tool to guide decision making for fitting or not fitting LEV to a number of CNC machining centers.

Does anybody have a tool already? What key factors should be considered and how would you rate the risk of inhalation of MWF (the HSE decline to publish a WEL).

Professionals not working in the UK how do your authorities (HSE equivalent) view the need for LEV to be fitted.

thanks for all help forthcoming

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 13 August 2021 09:59:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

From EH40/2005:

6 The absence of a substance from the list of WELs does not indicate that it is safe. For these substances, exposure should be controlled to a level to which nearly all the working population could be exposed, day after day at work, without any adverse effects on health. 7 As part of the assessment required under regulation 6 of COSHH, employers should determine their own working practices and in-house standards for control of exposure. In some cases, there may be sufficient information available for employers to set an ‘in-house’ working standard, eg from manufacturers and suppliers of the substance, from publications of industry associations, and from occupational medicine and hygiene journals.

There are plenty metal WEL's listed in EH40 e.g. Cadmium 8 hour 0.025 mg/m3

The Gestis database has the following: Oil mist, metal working fluids

UK limit 8 hours 1mg/m3 / Eire limit 8 hours 0.2mg/m3 inhalable fraction

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 13 August 2021 09:59:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

From EH40/2005:

6 The absence of a substance from the list of WELs does not indicate that it is safe. For these substances, exposure should be controlled to a level to which nearly all the working population could be exposed, day after day at work, without any adverse effects on health. 7 As part of the assessment required under regulation 6 of COSHH, employers should determine their own working practices and in-house standards for control of exposure. In some cases, there may be sufficient information available for employers to set an ‘in-house’ working standard, eg from manufacturers and suppliers of the substance, from publications of industry associations, and from occupational medicine and hygiene journals.

There are plenty metal WEL's listed in EH40 e.g. Cadmium 8 hour 0.025 mg/m3

The Gestis database has the following: Oil mist, metal working fluids

UK limit 8 hours 1mg/m3 / Eire limit 8 hours 0.2mg/m3 inhalable fraction

chris42  
#4 Posted : 13 August 2021 10:38:56(UTC)
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chris42

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/mw1.pdf

Seems to imply you fit one regardless, it does not seem to suggest optional.

Chris

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mtaylor on 13/08/2021(UTC)
mtaylor  
#5 Posted : 13 August 2021 10:58:49(UTC)
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mtaylor

Originally Posted by: chris42 Go to Quoted Post

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/mw1.pdf

Seems to imply you fit one regardless, it does not seem to suggest optional.

Chris

[Thanks Chris - this is my problem - there are clearly cases where LEV is not necessary and the cost of installation exceeds ALARP but the HSE do not give clear guidance on when it should be applied - hence my risk assessment approach - client is having to invest £40k+ for LEV that may not be necessary.
chris42  
#6 Posted : 13 August 2021 12:06:58(UTC)
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chris42

The guidance I referred to states:

There is currently no workplace exposure limit (WEL) for MWF mist. This is because outbreaks of ill health have occurred when exposure was below limits designed to protect worker health.

Again, it is suggesting that the target exposure is zero, and so LEV always required. Under what circumstances to you feel this would not apply?

Chris

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 13 August 2021 12:26:30(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Not all Metal Working Fluids are identical their formulation concentration varies between manufacturers as do the contained substances.

ERGO you need to reference Sections 3 & 8 of the UK REACH compliant Safety Data Sheet to determine what substances are present and what values apply to their contained substances.

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 13 August 2021 12:26:30(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Not all Metal Working Fluids are identical their formulation concentration varies between manufacturers as do the contained substances.

ERGO you need to reference Sections 3 & 8 of the UK REACH compliant Safety Data Sheet to determine what substances are present and what values apply to their contained substances.

chris.packham  
#9 Posted : 13 August 2021 13:21:03(UTC)
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chris.packham

As stated, the absence of a WEL does not mean it is safe. Also, the SDS will generally only list those constituents that have been assigned a Hazard Statement. There are literally thousands ot substances that have no Hazard Statement, but where exposure, both respiratory and dermal, can initiate damage to health. Some of these have been found in metalworking fluids. Keep in mind that LEV is not solely to prevent inhalation exposure. Airborne spray settling on the skin, particularly the sensitive area that is the face, can result in both irritant and allergic contact dermatitis. Also, there is evidence that chemicals which have a high ability to be absorbed into and through the skin can initiate health reactions at levels well below the WEL.

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