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Kate  
#1 Posted : 19 August 2021 08:13:43(UTC)
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Kate

When you collect personal data you have to tell the subject what you are going to use the data for.

I cannot even imagine what you might use such data for.

CptBeaky  
#2 Posted : 19 August 2021 08:31:32(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Two points. firstly if they have a fever of 38°C they are not assymptomatic. You would be hard pressed not to notice that you have that sort of fever.

Secondly, is there a reason you need to record their temperature? Wouldn't it be just as effective to simple take their temperature, and take action as you felt necessary without recording what their temperature was? Since temperture checking is not a recognised control for COVID on the workplace, it could never be used against you if you didn't record doing it.

Kate  
#3 Posted : 19 August 2021 09:01:16(UTC)
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Kate

I can see why you might wish to measure their temperature and send them home if the result is above a limit.

I don't see what use you could have for the actual numerical result or why you would retain it.

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Martin Fieldingt on 19/08/2021(UTC)
HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 19 August 2021 09:40:14(UTC)
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HSSnail

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dont-rely-on-temperature-screening-products-for-detection-of-coronavirus-covid-19-says-mhra

tempearure can be affected by so many things its a totaly unreliable control in this area.

chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 19 August 2021 09:55:04(UTC)
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chris.packham

It is possible to be colonised with SARS-CoV-2, and of course asymptomatic (including temperature!) but still capable of spreading the virus so what real purpose does the temperature measurement serve?

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 19 August 2021 10:14:29(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Firstly is there any point to the bio-safety theatre of temperature checking? Only those who create conditions for presenteeism force "sick" workers to arrive at site.

Secondly is there any point recording an individuals temperature over time (after all you only need their name to identify their specific data points) - temperature checking is a go / no go activity valid at time and date of test only.

It sounds like you have fallen in that usual H&S rabbit hole "We have to develop documentary evidence that we are doing something (firm favourite the signature tick list) - then we will consider what legal implications come from what we have done, after all we must have a piece of paper to demonstrate to the auditor we are following our written policies and procedures."

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 19 August 2021 10:14:29(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Firstly is there any point to the bio-safety theatre of temperature checking? Only those who create conditions for presenteeism force "sick" workers to arrive at site.

Secondly is there any point recording an individuals temperature over time (after all you only need their name to identify their specific data points) - temperature checking is a go / no go activity valid at time and date of test only.

It sounds like you have fallen in that usual H&S rabbit hole "We have to develop documentary evidence that we are doing something (firm favourite the signature tick list) - then we will consider what legal implications come from what we have done, after all we must have a piece of paper to demonstrate to the auditor we are following our written policies and procedures."

Kate  
#8 Posted : 19 August 2021 10:24:25(UTC)
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Kate

The data protection issues are easily side-stepped by just not writing the numerical result down.

Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 19 August 2021 11:00:43(UTC)
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Roundtuit

after you have deleted from your Covid controls - "the result of temperature checks are recorded on..."

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Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 19 August 2021 11:00:43(UTC)
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Roundtuit

after you have deleted from your Covid controls - "the result of temperature checks are recorded on..."

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SPR  
#11 Posted : 19 August 2021 11:45:13(UTC)
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SPR

Originally Posted by: nickgill Go to Quoted Post

Apologies if this has already been posted, but a search of the forums revealed nothing...

Has anyone run into potential GDPR contravention issues with regards to individuals checking their temperature on arrival to site and recording this temperature in the daily signing in sheet against their name? The advice I have found via Google from various legal websites, seems to indicate that this may constitute a breach under the "personal health data" terms within GDPR.

Any advice would be gratefully received... many thanks

Pointless task to be honest as you can be a carrier of COVID without having a temperature, and as others have said recording data against a persons name qualifies as a special category of personal data, so recording the health data requires an exception under GDPR Article 9.2, such as consent.

stevedm  
#12 Posted : 20 August 2021 07:52:37(UTC)
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stevedm

two points 1. unless it is a medical device or febrile temperature it is absoluetly uslesss.  2. you are gathering this information which is personal to the employee so it is classed as medical in confidence and is protected data.

So long as you are registered to hold it then there are no problems...apart from the fact that in most places the control of that data is poor

RVThompson  
#13 Posted : 20 August 2021 08:29:19(UTC)
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RVThompson

What's happened to the original post?

chris42  
#14 Posted : 20 August 2021 08:42:36(UTC)
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chris42

Somewhat ironic that the IOSH home page shows someone having their temperature taken on the Covid 19 recourses link.

Chris

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Kate  
#15 Posted : 20 August 2021 09:54:54(UTC)
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Kate

The deletion of the original post makes what is now my opening post look muppetish.  Thanks.

RVThompson  
#16 Posted : 20 August 2021 10:36:46(UTC)
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RVThompson

even though the original post has been deleted, the next post should still start at #2, so that unfamiliar visitors to this forum have an idea that the original post has been removed/deleted.

Now the forum may look like the ramblings of a certain Western leader?

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Roundtuit  
#17 Posted : 20 August 2021 10:41:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sounds like a breach of forum rule 6 - perhaps the moderators would like to re-instate:

6.2 Whenever a post is either edited or deleted the user MUST give a reason for their action. Failure to do so will be treated as a breach of forum rules.

6.3 Posts should only be edited within a few minutes and NEVER retrospectively once the discussion has moved on by several other posts.

​​​​​​​​​​​6.4 Posts should only be deleted under special circumstances such as

a duplicated post posting to the wrong forum (e.g. user wanted to post in Members but chose Public by mistake) immediately after posting and before any further posts are made.

6.5 Please also note that Moderators will, without notice, 'un delete' any posts that they consider have been incorrectly deleted by the forum user.

Edited by user 20 August 2021 10:57:04(UTC)  | Reason: test wrap

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Roundtuit  
#18 Posted : 20 August 2021 10:41:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sounds like a breach of forum rule 6 - perhaps the moderators would like to re-instate:

6.2 Whenever a post is either edited or deleted the user MUST give a reason for their action. Failure to do so will be treated as a breach of forum rules.

6.3 Posts should only be edited within a few minutes and NEVER retrospectively once the discussion has moved on by several other posts.

​​​​​​​​​​​6.4 Posts should only be deleted under special circumstances such as

a duplicated post posting to the wrong forum (e.g. user wanted to post in Members but chose Public by mistake) immediately after posting and before any further posts are made.

6.5 Please also note that Moderators will, without notice, 'un delete' any posts that they consider have been incorrectly deleted by the forum user.

Edited by user 20 August 2021 10:57:04(UTC)  | Reason: test wrap

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Alan Haynes  
#19 Posted : 20 August 2021 11:23:06(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

i'm assuming it was deleted it to stop/prevent stick from his employers - should have asked 'moderators' to rejig things to make sense after its removal,.  Moderators could still do it - or scrap the whole thread

Mark-W  
#20 Posted : 24 August 2021 10:48:05(UTC)
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Mark-W

1 of my clients does record the temp each day. But there is a tremomenter in the entrance lobby. They take their own  temp and then wipe down the thermometer with a wipe and replace in holder. 

They record their own temp on a record sheet for the week. They monitor their own temps and look for a trrend in temp rise. Not a perfect solution but it's 1 of many indicators we use.

The record is then destroyed in a cross cut shredder last thing on a Friday. So no GDPR issues, no one else looks at the sheet unless they highlight an upward trend that can't be explained by other obvious medical issues and they destroy their own record sheet. And the sheet is kept in their locked desk drawer.

Seems to be a workable solutiuon in their particular environment.

craigroberts76  
#21 Posted : 24 August 2021 13:50:49(UTC)
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craigroberts76

I went to a site where they took temps and 4 out of the 5 attempts i was medically dead or on fire... pointless task. If you insist on carrying them out then only record those under GDPR that are positive temps and follow up with a LFT.

Kate  
#22 Posted : 24 August 2021 16:54:34(UTC)
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Kate

I remember back in the day LFT stood for lung function test.  Had me confused there for a moment ...

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HSSnail on 25/08/2021(UTC)
HSSnail  
#23 Posted : 25 August 2021 07:38:00(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

I remember back in the day LFT stood for lung function test.  Had me confused there for a moment ...

LFT - Lung Function Test or lateral Flow Test

ACM Asbestos containing material or Alluminium cladding material

Great how they can just swap an acranim at will without considering the implications.

RVThompson  
#24 Posted : 25 August 2021 08:10:01(UTC)
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RVThompson

I was always taught when using acronyms that you should introduce it with full terminology and the shortened version in brackets in the first instance, so the reader knows what it means

Example: personal emergency evacuation plan (PEEP).

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Roundtuit on 25/08/2021(UTC)
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