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Hayde868  
#1 Posted : 06 December 2021 09:27:58(UTC)
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Hayde868

Hi Guys

I currently have 1 employee who cycles in everyday and of course sometimes his cycling clothes get wet, he is also required to change in to uniform.  We do not have any changing room facilities, but we do have an area that can be used as a subsitute but requires a screen for privacy on a Mezzanine floor.  But he does need a way to dry his clothes, and i have came up with a solution for this.  However i have spoken to my employeer and they have said that to implement this and have a way for the employee to dry his clothes they would need to build changing rooms for both male and females.

The employee is the only one who needs an area to change and dry his clothes as "far as reasonably practicable" i have come up with a solution. Or am I being too simplistic.

Please advise.

CptBeaky  
#2 Posted: : 06 December 2021 11:04:26(UTC)
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CptBeaky

As I recall, you only need to provide changing facilities if special clothing is worn for work, not for changing out of wet clothing during the commute. Obviously you can provide changing facilities beyond this.

As for male and female facilities, I can't think of a reason that you couldn't have unisex facilities, as long as each "cubicle" was private, which is what I think you are providing at the moment. Would it be possible to stud wall a cubicle in on the mezzanine floor, with a lock on a door and call it a unisex changing room? Obviously this would add other risks, but it might be a good solution.

A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 06 December 2021 13:27:46(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Sounds over the top. The clothing gets wet because of his commute not workplace activities. If  work activities were dirty and required  a complete change of clothes yes you would have to do something.

Why can’t he just use the toilets like everybody else?

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2021 13:58:33(UTC)
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peter gotch

"Why can’t he just use the toilets like everybody else?"

Like all the other people who decide to change in or out of their uniform when it has been wet!!

Much as cycling to work is to be applauded, so is walking.

P

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2021 14:25:03(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Toilets in the main are not typically designed as changing rooms - having mopable floors the mix of a body and wet clothing is a case of when, not if, an accident gets reported.

The employee is required to wear a uniform, they are NOT required to change in to a uniform.

Being brutal it is not pleaseant for work colleagues to have wet clothing draped around drying.

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Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 06 December 2021 14:25:03(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Toilets in the main are not typically designed as changing rooms - having mopable floors the mix of a body and wet clothing is a case of when, not if, an accident gets reported.

The employee is required to wear a uniform, they are NOT required to change in to a uniform.

Being brutal it is not pleaseant for work colleagues to have wet clothing draped around drying.

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achrn  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2021 15:32:04(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: CptBeaky Go to Quoted Post

As for male and female facilities, I can't think of a reason that you couldn't have unisex facilities, as long as each "cubicle" was private, which is what I think you are providing at the moment.

That's what we have at my workplace - a unisex changing room with lockers and three individual cubicles.  I can't see any reason why you can't have a single one-person unisex changing room / cubicle.

As to why bother (asked elsewhere in the thread) - because encouraging staff not to drive is generally considered a good thing. 

There are lots of 'good things' we do for staff that aren't mandated by law - like a shuttle minibus to the train station, providing tea and coffee, sometimes there's even a Christmas party.  Why so miserable about measures to try and improve matters for people at work? (We also provide car parking spaces, and they aren't requried by law either.)

Our changing rooms are variously used by cyclists (I'm very pleased to report we have more bikes parked at our head office than cars, most days), people that walk from the station and change their shoes or leave their coat there, motorbikers (who seem to get wetter than cyclists, or maybe their clothes soak up more water), people that go for a run at lunchtime, and I guess we'd even let a car-driver use it if they wanted to change to go out one evening before going home.

Edited by user 06 December 2021 15:33:47(UTC)  | Reason: spalling

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A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 06 December 2021 16:28:15(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I think that the original question was whether it was a legal requirement to provide a changing room for a cyclist or anyone else who turns for work in the wet and is not deposited at the main entrance in a limousine. The answer is there is no legal requirement but if you are encouraging people to cycle or walk into work a changing area might be a good idea. Many businesses though,  are not  that bothered and so the toilets it is. They are not designed for that purpose but then many aren’t even fit for their official purpose.

Kate  
#9 Posted : 06 December 2021 16:35:27(UTC)
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Kate

I read the original question as being if you do choose to provide this for this male employee, do you also have to provide duplicate facilities for female employees.  I think this may have arisen from the employer's (not the poster's) interpretation of equality law, rather than H&S law.  I agree with the point made that the facility can be considered unisex so there is no gender issue.

achrn  
#10 Posted : 06 December 2021 17:06:27(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

I agree with the point made that the facility can be considered unisex so there is no gender issue.

Although I should say this needs a little bit of enforcing - we have had some male members of staff who felt happy wandering out of cubicles clad only in a barely-secure towel, which some other members of staff felt uncomfortable with and put them off using the facility.  Conversely, we had at least one female member of staff (though I never knew who) who felt entirely happy draping bras around the place (though we never had Y-fonts or boxers similarly draped) and that disconcerted other staff.

We now have a policy that people need to be clothed to 'on the high street' levels of decency when outside a cubicle, that underwear is not strewn, and that it is all users responsibility that the place is kept basically tidy (everything has to be in a locker, on a shelf, on a hook, or on a hanging rail).

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