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bill4000  
#1 Posted : 07 December 2021 05:25:29(UTC)
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bill4000

Hi All. Doing a bit of research at the moment and I wanted to gauge if anyone has got a rough (ie very rough) of how much (%) Chrysotile was used in the backing of 1950s to 1980s vinyl sheet linoleum. The reason for my asking is that seen one article reference 80 to 100 % chrysotile was used (which seems very unrealisic) and also seen research quoting figures as low as (5 to 20%). Just to be clear, this is for the "backing" to the sheet linoleum, and not the top viynl surface. Any guideance from analyists or other OH's is appreciated. william
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 07 December 2021 09:52:03(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

There  are two scary things about “legacy” asbestos: firstly during its golden age-1950’s and 60’s because it was so cheap and plentiful, they stuck anywhere and everywhere whether they needed it or not. I don’t think they looked at how much they were putting in either. Each manufacturer, did it their way so it could be a bit or a lot, nobody kept records no certificate of conformity or ISO standards then. Secondly you can’t really tell if something is asbestos unless you have it tested. It might look ok asbestos free, but you can’t tell just by looking.

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peter gotch on 07/12/2021(UTC)
Gerry Knowles  
#3 Posted : 07 December 2021 12:33:56(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

I think the best advice I ever had around asbestos in old buildings, machinery, flooring was that only ever assume that it is there and if in doubt get it tested. 

This was brought home to me when I was helping a client with a due-diligence report prior to a business sale.  One of the questions was around the presence of asbestos. We though that all the asbestos had been identified but decided to get some more testing done.  It transpired in one of the offices, half of the plasterboard was just that the other half was in fact old fashioned asbestos fireboard.  

So assume that you are asbestos free at your pearl.  

bill4000  
#4 Posted : 07 December 2021 20:10:23(UTC)
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bill4000

thanks for the responses. Since i am writing a paper on linoleum hazards, i thought first hand verification (esepcially from analysts) would be particularly useful. Any idea on percentage content?
bill4000  
#5 Posted : 07 December 2021 20:14:11(UTC)
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bill4000

ie I would like the article i am writing to be as correct as possible, which is why i am seeking verification on rough percentage of chrysotile. (even though "any percentage" is dangerous).
Accidentia  
#6 Posted : 13 December 2021 20:25:23(UTC)
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Accidentia

The figure quoted in the original post for 80-100% asbestos content in the backing to vinyl sheet flooring appears to be correct.  Apparently, this type of flooring had an asbestos paper backing.  According to a 1988 publication Asbestos in Buildings, (published by the Department of the Environment), Annex 1 states that Thermoplastic floor tiles contained "Up to 25% asbestos", PVC vinyl floor tiles and unbacked PVC flooring "Normally less than 10% chrysotile", and asbestos paper backed PVC floors "Paper backing approximately 100% chrysotile asbestos."

Whether the percentage asbestos content in these products, or the type of asbestos used, changed over time is not stated within the publication.

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 14 December 2021 10:38:21(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Bill I think that you are asking for something that does not exist: a definitive value for the amount of asbestos in old  floor coverings. There are guesstimates but nothing definitive. The original paperwork from when they made the stuff is long gone, the factories are shut  and the people who made are probably dead (simply from old age). There might be archives somewhere which someone with time and resources could track down, but it would be a big ask. When modern day samples are  sent for analysis the amounts  asbestos are less important than it simple presence, so unless someone is specifically surveying for the amount of asbestos you are not going find much there either. That 1988 publication-“ Asbestos in Buildings” is probably the best you are going to get. In fact am amazed that  Accidentia has been able to go that far back.

Gerry Knowles  
#8 Posted : 14 December 2021 15:37:11(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

Being an old codger, I do remember the old lino! I remember it was constructed on a hessian backing similar to carpets, the top was a number of layers of a fabric (similar to canvas or sail cloth) which was then coated to consolidate it then printed with a pattern.  I would think that if there was asbestos present it would have layered with the fabric so there could have been a significant amount as it came in large rolled sheets about the same size as carpets come today.  Hope this helps

HSSnail  
#9 Posted : 15 December 2021 08:21:19(UTC)
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HSSnail

while its important to understand the asbestos content of a metrial - its also important to remember how the material is held. Paper linings are covered by the HSE Asbestos Essentials sheet A17 https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a17.pdf as a none licence material for removal. This i take to mean that the fibers are tightly bound - simialr to asbestos cement - so if treated with care as teh sheet outlines its is a poduct that can be removed by any trained person.

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A Kurdziel on 15/12/2021(UTC)
SteveL  
#10 Posted : 20 December 2021 12:12:45(UTC)
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SteveL

Originally Posted by: bill4000 Go to Quoted Post
Hi All. Doing a bit of research at the moment and I wanted to gauge if anyone has got a rough (ie very rough) of how much (%) Chrysotile was used in the backing of 1950s to 1980s vinyl sheet linoleum. The reason for my asking is that seen one article reference 80 to 100 % chrysotile was used (which seems very unrealisic) and also seen research quoting figures as low as (5 to 20%). Just to be clear, this is for the "backing" to the sheet linoleum, and not the top viynl surface. Any guideance from analyists or other OH's is appreciated. william

Why would you think that a 80 - 100% content for asbestos backing is unrealistic. 

If you have articles tested you will be suprised as to teh content, cement sheets can have white, brown and blue with varying contenets. As previously stated the only way to be sure is to test. 

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