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karolaa2306  
#1 Posted : 14 February 2022 10:55:45(UTC)
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karolaa2306

Good morning All,

I am looking for cloud based HSE Managment Software to implement in the buisness. I would like one system which icludes Risk Assessments; Incident, Accident and Hazard reporting; Incident Investigations; Actions Tracking (CAPA); Permit to Work, maybe Managment of Change etc. I am aware of EcoOnline, unfortunately their Risk Assessment module is not what I am looking for.

I am in process of getting demo from SafetyQube and Intelex. I would greatly appreciate feedback from anyone using one of the mentioned systems or a similar one and their view on how useful the systems are.

Thank you in advance!

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 14 February 2022 14:02:46(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Similar posts have had similar response - it depends upon your business and what it needs.

Any recommendation on here would be from the responders perspective of their system in their workplace.

One common response is that anything commercially available never quite manages to tick all the boxes leading to compomises.

Many others would challenge if software should be managing the unpredictable that is fellow employees.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 14 February 2022 14:02:46(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Similar posts have had similar response - it depends upon your business and what it needs.

Any recommendation on here would be from the responders perspective of their system in their workplace.

One common response is that anything commercially available never quite manages to tick all the boxes leading to compomises.

Many others would challenge if software should be managing the unpredictable that is fellow employees.

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A Kurdziel on 14/02/2022(UTC), A Kurdziel on 14/02/2022(UTC)
karolaa2306  
#4 Posted : 14 February 2022 14:12:35(UTC)
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karolaa2306

Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post

Similar posts have had similar response - it depends upon your business and what it needs.

Any recommendation on here would be from the responders perspective of their system in their workplace.

One common response is that anything commercially available never quite manages to tick all the boxes leading to compomises.

Many others would challenge if software should be managing the unpredictable that is fellow employees.

Thank you for taking time to reply. I could only really see two posts when searching the forum hence my post. Agree to some extent, but the reason I am asking is to transfer system from paper to cloud as this is someting what is being pushed a lot in my workplace

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 14 February 2022 14:33:27(UTC)
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peter gotch

karolaa - have you got a couple of young techies at work? Just about everything you are asking for in terms of tracking could be done with e.g. Excel spreadsheets. So, a case of getting them on board and explaining what YOU want to get out of whatever monitoring YOU want.

Products being marketed on the basis that they will speed up your risk assessment processes. But the law doesn't say that risk assessments should be quick but "suitable and sufficient" - if some exterior supplier who probably doesn't have much health and safety professional expertise wants to sell you something that will be quick, it will likely not do what you need.

P

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KMatt  
#6 Posted : 15 February 2022 08:53:34(UTC)
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KMatt

I've just started with a company who use HS Direct.. it's ok.. I come from doing my RAMS, monitoring etc online in spreadsheets & online forms & actually prefer the control of doing it in-house, and that was for a larger company.  Access can be a great tool as can the excel if you have a suppoortive IT team.  Depends on your budget too I guess.

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A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 15 February 2022 10:07:58(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Years ago I was able (with techy help) to put together a suitable accident reporting system based on Access, which did everything I wanted it do. It was not at all flashy, but I didn’t want or need flashy. So I am a believer in doing it in house if possible.

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karolaa2306 on 15/02/2022(UTC)
Oxford  
#8 Posted : 15 February 2022 10:43:14(UTC)
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Oxford

C&C Consulting Services have a cloud-based system called Vision -while it doesn't manage Permits etc, it does most other things and more to the point has been designed and implemented by an H&S consultancy so is focussed on whay users need to manage their H&S systems - many of our clients also find that, as it holds all of their records, including training records, in one place its a great tool when completing CHAS/SMAS applications

karolaa2306  
#9 Posted : 15 February 2022 11:37:23(UTC)
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karolaa2306

Thank you everyone for replying.

To give you all bigger picture I have started in the business two months ago and there is a lot of technology being introduced at the moment hence the push for cloud based system. As much as I would prefer to get and Admin to help with all action tracking, preadhseets, scanning etc this is not an option at the moment. Although I am quite keen on spreadsheets, at the moment there is a lot of them hence the reason they want to go online. Also, it is seen as good step towards being environmentally friendly as this would reduce usage of paper massively (all checklists completed online etc).

Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 15 February 2022 11:57:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: karolaa2306 Go to Quoted Post
it is seen as good step towards being environmentally friendly

Interesting assumption

- paper is sustainable, recyclable, captures carbon during tree growth

- computerisation rips holes in the earth for the rare metals used in electronics, poisons water courses, creates e-waste, consumes vast amounts of energy especially in data centres pumping out excess heat

to be truly environmentally friendly you would actually dispense with check lists

Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 15 February 2022 11:57:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: karolaa2306 Go to Quoted Post
it is seen as good step towards being environmentally friendly

Interesting assumption

- paper is sustainable, recyclable, captures carbon during tree growth

- computerisation rips holes in the earth for the rare metals used in electronics, poisons water courses, creates e-waste, consumes vast amounts of energy especially in data centres pumping out excess heat

to be truly environmentally friendly you would actually dispense with check lists

Kate  
#12 Posted : 15 February 2022 12:29:13(UTC)
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Kate

As well as vast quantities of electricity (from who knows what energy sources including fossil fuels), data centres also use vast quantities of water for cooling which can contribute to water scarcity.

I agree that electronic does not mean green.

karolaa2306  
#13 Posted : 15 February 2022 13:49:06(UTC)
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karolaa2306

All the IT site was already done befor I joined as well as decision to go "online"... therefore looking on waste hierarchy, if I can't prevent it at this stage, I will reuse it and if by doing that I will reduce usage of paper, I will do it.

Taking it back to my original question, I will be happy to read anyones feedback on the software!

Roundtuit  
#14 Posted : 15 February 2022 14:59:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Yet one of the KPI's that is pursued under QHSE is a reduction in energy and other resource usage.

Just because it is "already there" does not mean it should keep happening (BS 5750 mentallity) continual improvement is the new(ish) mantra (ISO 9001, 14001, 45001).

Roundtuit  
#15 Posted : 15 February 2022 14:59:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Yet one of the KPI's that is pursued under QHSE is a reduction in energy and other resource usage.

Just because it is "already there" does not mean it should keep happening (BS 5750 mentallity) continual improvement is the new(ish) mantra (ISO 9001, 14001, 45001).

A Kurdziel  
#16 Posted : 15 February 2022 16:10:00(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

When looking at vendors one question you should always ask is what happens if the company running the system goes belly up. Will you still have access to your data, SOPS risk assessments etc.  You should also clarify who owns the information on the system. Imagine having some dispute with the vendor in the future and them  telling you that they own your systems and they won’t provide you with access unless you pay extra etc.

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karolaa2306 on 15/02/2022(UTC)
karolaa2306  
#17 Posted : 15 February 2022 16:34:26(UTC)
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karolaa2306

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

When looking at vendors one question you should always ask is what happens if the company running the system goes belly up. Will you still have access to your data, SOPS risk assessments etc.  You should also clarify who owns the information on the system. Imagine having some dispute with the vendor in the future and them  telling you that they own your systems and they won’t provide you with access unless you pay extra etc.

Very good points to think about when looking on T&C's. Thank you!

Kate  
#18 Posted : 16 February 2022 08:38:19(UTC)
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Kate

Cloud storage is only "reuse" if the new data overwrites old data so that the storage space is reused rather than expanded.  Electronically storing lots of worthless data indefinitely is wasteful even though the waste is not visible like paper waste is.

Roundtuit  
#19 Posted : 16 February 2022 12:02:31(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You also have issues regarding legal jurisdiction - EU/UK rules on personal data storage need consideration

Personally quite happy that Mr Zuckerberg is threatening to shut his service if he cannot use US data centres 

Roundtuit  
#20 Posted : 16 February 2022 12:02:31(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You also have issues regarding legal jurisdiction - EU/UK rules on personal data storage need consideration

Personally quite happy that Mr Zuckerberg is threatening to shut his service if he cannot use US data centres 

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