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MichelleLockyer  
#1 Posted : 23 March 2022 18:56:41(UTC)
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MichelleLockyer

I have inherited a COSHH register rom the previous H&S advisor, she has listed Lion power tool batteries in her COSHH register. Is this correct? Surely these batteries (if used as directed) are not hazardous to health. I can understand they are if thet get damaged but does that count? What do you do please?

PS. I am not talking about lead acid batteries.

Kate  
#2 Posted : 23 March 2022 19:15:00(UTC)
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Kate

If you mean lithium ion batteries, these have physical (fire and explosion) hazard so there could be a rationale for registering them as hazardous, although nothing to do with COSHH.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 23 March 2022 21:20:12(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Unless you are a manufacturer / distributor of Li-On batteries in large quantities their inclusion on a COSHH register is in the same realms as the disinfectant wipes used by the cleaners, tippex in the office or the dish washer tablets used in the canteen - generating paperwork for the sake of paperwork.

If you were discussing non-sealed lead acid batteries (as in motor vehicles not disability scooters) we are in a different place.

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 23 March 2022 21:20:12(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Unless you are a manufacturer / distributor of Li-On batteries in large quantities their inclusion on a COSHH register is in the same realms as the disinfectant wipes used by the cleaners, tippex in the office or the dish washer tablets used in the canteen - generating paperwork for the sake of paperwork.

If you were discussing non-sealed lead acid batteries (as in motor vehicles not disability scooters) we are in a different place.

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 24 March 2022 12:46:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Ok

I assume that by; “ would battery packs come under COSHH?” you mean “do I need to complete a form with the words COSHH in title?”: probably not.

Let’s say this again- risk assessment  is not a piece of paperwork  . It is instead a process that you carry out to establish whether any work related process or procedure, is a safe as you can make it.

The piece of paper that emerges is a record of the findings of that  risk assessment process.

The legal requirement to carry out this process and record its findings is described in the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations but other regulations also include a requirement for risk assessment including COSHH. What people need to understand is there is no requirement to create a separate piece of paperwork for each regulation. If the issue is minor, there is no need to produce a separate document. So for using a cleaning product it is quite acceptable to include the COSHH element is a general risk assessment. By contrast if you are looking at a chemical reaction in a lab, I’d expect a more in depth, COSHH focused risk assessment.

When it comes to power tool batteries, the general risk assessment should include a COSHH element, but it should consist simply of identifying the risk posed by damaging or otherwise  opening up battery packs and what to do if they are damaged and leaking.

If as Roundtuit has indicated your workplace opens up batteries on purpose(to recycle them for example) then you need a COSHH focused  risk assessment.  

Kate  
#6 Posted : 24 March 2022 16:07:45(UTC)
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Kate

There's a difference between listing items on a COSHH register and carrying out a COSHH assessment.

Sometimes a register is simply a list of hazardous stuff (not only COSHH but fire related as well) and not everything on it may get a COSHH assessment.  There may even be a field that identifies whether an assessment is needed or not/

MichelleLockyer  
#7 Posted : 24 March 2022 19:35:19(UTC)
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MichelleLockyer

Thanks everyone, I just wanted a sanity check. It seems we are all in agreement.

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Kate on 25/03/2022(UTC), peter gotch on 25/03/2022(UTC)
James Watson  
#8 Posted : 20 July 2023 06:54:14(UTC)
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James Watson

I understand your concern about including Lion Power tool batteries in the COSHH register. When I found this COSHH risk assessment provider, they highlighted the importance of accurately assessing potential hazards. While Lion power tool batteries may not be hazardous under normal usage, it is crucial to consider any risks associated with damaged or mishandled batteries. I suggest conducting a specific risk assessment for these batteries, taking into account manufacturer guidelines and potential risks of damage. This will help determine if listing them in the COSHH register is necessary for your organisation's health and safety management.

HSSnail  
#9 Posted : 20 July 2023 06:58:09(UTC)
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HSSnail

Reported - not clicked on link as i expect its dodgy.

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M.cooper.99 on 20/07/2023(UTC), Roundtuit on 20/07/2023(UTC), RVThompson on 20/07/2023(UTC), peter gotch on 20/07/2023(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 20 July 2023 08:01:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Link to a peddler of regurgitated SDS

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peter gotch on 20/07/2023(UTC), A Kurdziel on 21/07/2023(UTC), peter gotch on 20/07/2023(UTC), A Kurdziel on 21/07/2023(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 20 July 2023 08:01:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Link to a peddler of regurgitated SDS

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peter gotch on 20/07/2023(UTC), A Kurdziel on 21/07/2023(UTC), peter gotch on 20/07/2023(UTC), A Kurdziel on 21/07/2023(UTC)
RVThompson  
#12 Posted : 20 July 2023 08:36:39(UTC)
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RVThompson

When I scroll over a link, a little grey box pops up in the bottom left of my screen with the www address.

Helps to identify dodgy link.

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HSSnail on 20/07/2023(UTC), MikeKelly on 20/07/2023(UTC), peter gotch on 20/07/2023(UTC)
HSSnail  
#13 Posted : 20 July 2023 10:15:33(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: RVThompson Go to Quoted Post

When I scroll over a link, a little grey box pops up in the bottom left of my screen with the www address.

Helps to identify dodgy link.

Never noticed that - thanks

peter gotch  
#14 Posted : 20 July 2023 15:01:38(UTC)
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peter gotch

"James" must have taken time to consider the content of their post. Stats says that they joined the Forums yesterday but didn't post until after 6am.

Marc Owen  
#15 Posted : 21 July 2023 14:49:55(UTC)
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Marc Owen

I think the electrical or fire arrangements would be more fitting for lipo batteries control etc...

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