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stevebaross  
#1 Posted : 07 April 2022 08:00:49(UTC)
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stevebaross

We have a labourer whose sole job is to tidy and clean up the site. In doing so, he performs a lot of dry sweeping in which plumes of dust are kicked up. On our site, we weld, cut metal, cut wood etc so there's plenty of harmful substances involved. Would a safe system of work accompanied by a risk assessment be sufficient? or would a COSHH assessment be required? 

My hesitation with the COSHH assessment is that it would be difficult to ascertain specifically what was in the dust without sampling this? or could i generalise?

Thanks

PDarlow  
#2 Posted : 07 April 2022 09:23:24(UTC)
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PDarlow

Hello Steve,

I would certainly start with a risk assessment to inform a SSoW. A few considerations in reagrds to the task itself - instead of dry sweeping and distrubing dust up into the breathing zone of the operative, could the product be dampened before disposing? We use industrial vacuums for such tasks which is a far better solution. Does your operative wear RPE whilst doing the task? Do you have annual health surveillance (specifically Spirometry aka lung function test) for those operatives exposed to dusts and fumes? Just a few considerations to be getting on with. I assume you have LEV for those who undertake welding, metal cutting etc?

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stevebaross on 08/04/2022(UTC)
HSSnail  
#3 Posted : 07 April 2022 10:10:10(UTC)
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HSSnail

Steve,

Its been a few years now but i was involved with an HSE/LA enforcement campaigne on respiratable dust - there was a Topic Inspection Pack avialable but it looks like its been withdrawn.

From memory with dusts that do not have an occuaptional exposure limit but are respiratable you need to look to reduce exposure So far as is reasonably practicable. With the craft bakeries i was looking at we were certainly recomending suitable vacumes not dry sweeping

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stevebaross on 08/04/2022(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 07 April 2022 11:24:06(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As I have said quite recently the COSHH regs do not require that you produce a separate document called a COSHH risk assessment backed up by an SDS etc. There nothing wrong in creating one document that covers all risks including those posed by hazardous substances as long as you take into account  those factors that are mentioned in COSHH. It simply requires that you identify the risk posed by hazardous substances and establish controls to manage those risks.

Hazardous substances  covers a range of materials but also includes any type of dust which is present in a concentration

which is dust of any kind, except dust which is a substance within paragraph (a) or (b) above, when present at a concentration in air of more than   “(i)10 mg/m3, as a time-weighted average over an 8-hour period of inhalable dust, or(ii)4 mg/m3, as a time-weighted average over an 8-hour period of respirable dust;”

You don’t need to know the exact composition of the dust,  but you need to have an idea what the dust might contain. You should identify if the dust are particularly harmful eg contain carcinogens or allergens.

The key thing is to decide what controls you might consider for example, a vacuum cleaner with a suitable filter, wetting everything etc. use of RPE would be the last resort if nothing else works.

What you call your SSOW etc doesn’t matter as long as you take adequate steps to protect your worker.

 

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stevebaross on 08/04/2022(UTC), aud on 20/04/2022(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 07 April 2022 11:50:01(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The HSE news page on 1st April 2022 posted that "woodworking" industries were to be targeted to tackle occupational lung disease and offered up its guidance https://www.hse.gov.uk/woodworking/

Which prompted whatever happened with Michael Northcroft the London Furniture Maker instructed by HSE to "put down the broom" to much publicity in 2019?

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stevebaross on 08/04/2022(UTC), stevebaross on 08/04/2022(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 07 April 2022 11:50:01(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The HSE news page on 1st April 2022 posted that "woodworking" industries were to be targeted to tackle occupational lung disease and offered up its guidance https://www.hse.gov.uk/woodworking/

Which prompted whatever happened with Michael Northcroft the London Furniture Maker instructed by HSE to "put down the broom" to much publicity in 2019?

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darrengasson  
#7 Posted : 08 April 2022 14:39:23(UTC)
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darrengasson

You definately need a risk assessment and COSHH assessment in place. I think really you need to eliminate the brush get him something like an M class vacumm cleaner. He should also be face fitted to suitable RPE and this should all form part of your SSOW.

aud  
#8 Posted : 20 April 2022 10:19:10(UTC)
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aud

I wouldn't normally use a "wot we do" story but my recent stint in a manufacturing company involved a lot of dust scenarios. So the following is a summary of basic experiments and some professional monitoring. Bit rambling I’m afraid.

Not sure if this work is outside or inside and how large etc. HSE COSHH guide CN5 may help.

Vacuums are always recommended – but if the premises are large and open, this is hopeless for expansive floor areas, although good for corners, edges, around machinery and to collect small piles. However, if you can use a vac, fine. Then no RPE need probably.

Use a powerful torch (dust lamp), to see where dust is, and how it is moving. It will help to test out some methods described, and will also indicate (but not measure) the amounts in the air.

Rather than brushing, think pushing.

It is the ‘flicking’ of the material with the brush which pushes dust into the air more than anything. Experiment with a cloth wrapped around the brush head (yard broom for example).

Then use dust lamp to see how much (if any) dust gets airborne compared with dry brushing.

Pushing such a covered yard brush around a large floor space is quicker, quieter and easier; the collected piles can then be vacuumed. A commercial dust broom (as used in hospital corridors) may be an alternative with larger sizes of ‘sweeper’ head.

Another alternative might be a push (non-powered) wheeled floor sweeper, (google for examples) although emptying these brings its own problems, resolved with technique.

In the olden days, and still in the States, ‘sweeping compound’ could be used, although for very large areas this is not so practical. This compound is basically a recipe based on damp sawdust. It can make certain floors slippery though.

For our experiments, the environmental specialist measured dust levels at lapel height whilst the following tasks were carried out: dry sweeping (poor), dry pushing with cloth-covered broom (good), dry pushing with dust ‘mop’ about 16” wide, (good and speedy), and mechanical hand push sweeper (also good, but the emptying was not measured, and that is where dust can get into breathing zones).

If RPE is still called for (and it may not be), FFP3 disposable should be fine, and comfortable enough for long periods; foldable so as not to be left on top of benches to get dust and muck inside. Others have covered the detail of dust as a hazard. A simple set of instructions talked through should be sufficient, covering the dust controls and anything else such as keeping safe from moving vehicles or machinery etc all in one.

Private ramble: I had my own dust challenges when using very lightweight insulating plaster (think talcum powder). No matter how much I swept, the unfinished sub floor seemed to release more dust each sweep. Plaster dust ruins domestic vacs, and again, even the 50sqm floor was a lot to vacuum anyway – took ages.

Solution? Dampened sawdust: scattered liberally across the chipboard floor and then swept up into buckets to be reused. Managed to capture and contain most dust very effectively. If left down on the floor whilst working, this mixture also seemed to draw airborne dust straight down into it too. Not scientifically validated.

This is not a practical suggestion for a workplace these days, but it was used in cotton mills back in the day for dust control. And may be a handy tip for anyone having building work done.

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peter gotch on 20/04/2022(UTC)
Arfur2  
#9 Posted : 22 April 2022 13:54:55(UTC)
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Arfur2

Steve - worth looking at information on the Construction Dust Partnership pages on CITB website and especially resources section. HSE Construction Dust information sheet CIS36 also worth aread, espacially common tasks

https://www.citb.co.uk/about-citb/partnerships-and-initiatives/construction-dust-partnership/resources/

Arfur2  
#10 Posted : 22 April 2022 14:01:47(UTC)
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Arfur2

Steve

Forgot to mention the HSE have a page on dry sweeping under the construction health section so make sure you follow the steps  https://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/healthrisks/hazardous-substances/sweeping-cleaning.htm

Also worth looking at manual push sweepers. We have used these with labourers wearing FFP3 RPE such as JSP Force 8 press to check , mainly as an alternative to sweeping with a broom. There then comes a point when the size of debris is small enough to warrant mandating only M or H rated vacuum.  

antbruce001  
#11 Posted : 26 April 2022 09:45:29(UTC)
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antbruce001

It is probably worth mentioning that if you have combustible dusts, like saw dust you should be considering the risks associated with the formation of a explosive dust cloud being created during dry sweeping. DSEAR will apply and any reasonably DSEAR based risk assessment will recommend as a minimum damping down first, with the ideal being vacuuming with a suitable EX-rated vacuum. 

Edited by user 26 April 2022 09:46:16(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

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chris42 on 26/04/2022(UTC)
peter gotch  
#12 Posted : 26 April 2022 12:10:31(UTC)
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peter gotch

Unless the wood dust is very fine (e.g. due to lots of sanding being done) then it's highly unlikely to be explosible in the UK due to the amount of moisture in the air.

That might not remain the case with climate change.

So, at least for now, my focus would be on the occupational health risks.

P

chris42  
#13 Posted : 26 April 2022 15:34:45(UTC)
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chris42

Wasn’t there a big explosion around 7 or 8 years ago that killed several people at a saw mill due to wood dust. I recall that it seemed to suck up all the HSE’s inspectors time or at least that is what the HSE inspector said at an IOSH branch meeting here in Wales ( incident in England somewhere). It will depend on exactly how much dust there is, I guess.

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