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MrBrightside  
#1 Posted : 15 September 2022 12:07:58(UTC)
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MrBrightside

Hi All,

Does anyone use or used before laser cleaners. We are looking for an alterntive to jet washing. We currently use a high powered jet wash to remove concrete from metal and was wonder if a laser cleaner would do this job and is so what are the safety issues.

Thank you

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 15 September 2022 15:33:36(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

 The Control of Artificial Optical Radiation at Work Regulations 2010 are your starting point for safety issues. There is a short guidance document from the  HSE(8 pages long).

You need to manage the laser source, just like anything else through a risk assessment. Like any risk assessment it starts with identifying the hazardous nature of the laser you  are using. You need to know the frequency (ie the colour Note some lasers are invisible to the naked eye  that is very scarry)., the power somebody has to calculate the attenuation of the beam ie how far it can travel  before it stops being dangerous. The laser should come with a hazards rating-Classes 1 to 5.  

You will need to train your operators on how to us it safely. They need to understand things like a laser only produces a “beam” in sci-fi films or if it shines through some sort of mist. Therefore when they switch it on they should not expect a beam to appear and they should not go looking down the laser to try and find it!

They need to select  appropriate eye protection which is sufficient to protect the eye from that particular laser but not so dark as to render the user effectively blind.

I have dealt with companies that supply laser products but who have no real understanding of what they are selling: they simply act as importers of equipment manufactured in China, where safety standards are somewhat lower than here, and they often fail to supply useful safety information.

It might be worth hiring a specialist laser safety consultant to help with this.    

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peter gotch on 16/09/2022(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 15 September 2022 18:22:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Presumably you want no change to the steel you are removing the concrete from in which case do you truly believe high intensity energy creating heat will not affect the underlying substrate?

Without knoweldge of why/how the concrete is attaching to the steel bit limited on other potential solutions - mild acid rinse / ultra sonics / "wet" wipe down.

Alternativley what about a release coating on the steel before the concrete has chance to attach negating heavy duty cleaning?

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 15 September 2022 18:22:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Presumably you want no change to the steel you are removing the concrete from in which case do you truly believe high intensity energy creating heat will not affect the underlying substrate?

Without knoweldge of why/how the concrete is attaching to the steel bit limited on other potential solutions - mild acid rinse / ultra sonics / "wet" wipe down.

Alternativley what about a release coating on the steel before the concrete has chance to attach negating heavy duty cleaning?

HSSnail  
#5 Posted : 16 September 2022 07:25:31(UTC)
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HSSnail

Had never seen laser claening before - so just googled it (other search engines are avialable). Very interesting. Reminds me of laser tattoo removal which i did get involved in 30 years ago as an inspector. There were some dodgy products on then market then, often being imported by well know internet shops from china etc. Not clear exactly what you are doing, but as you probably know these lasers rely on intense heat usualy in very small bursts so as not to penitrate two deep into the skin/product, im not sure that would remove concrete of any significant thicknes. Sounds as if you are using friction at the moment.

Im sure a supplier would be happy to discuss this with you and maybe even demonstrate a unit - but as otehrs have said the use of lasers comes with a whole host of regulatory requirement.

A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 16 September 2022 13:00:28(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Years ago when I was involved in medical research, they were looking at lasers that were tuned to a particular substrate, meaning most of the energy was being absorbed by your target material and the there was minimum collateral damage. I can see that working in controlled clinical conditions but not so sure about concrete on metal.

If you spend enough money,  you can get a really safe system for example the system could include a low powered spotting laser which will tell you where the main beam will go, and it can also operate an interlock that stops the main laser working if the beam is more than a few centimetres from the target. But you need to  find this out if this is the case. You could end up buying a cheap but generic death ray with no safety features!         

Edited by user 16 September 2022 14:57:31(UTC)  | Reason: missing w rds

peter gotch  
#7 Posted : 16 September 2022 13:59:27(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Mr Brightside

Aside from the health and safety aspects, I (like Roundtuit, I think) am rather sceptical that this process would do want you want it to.

I think that a laser would be much more likely to damage the metalwork than to impact the concrete in any way. The metal is a good conductor of heat, the concrete is largely of insulation nature (other than any reinforcement inside).

So, has someone come up with some specification of this laser to explain the process?

I could envisage, as example, that someone could drill some holes through the concrete to expose reinforcing bars inside. Then zap those bars with high intensity laser and the reinforcement is weakened and it might be easier to break the concrete away from the metalwork that you want to keep. But that would introduce lots of risks (including the laser ones) and sounds rather high tech for what you want to achieve!

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