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Philip Neal  
#1 Posted : 13 April 2023 13:47:20(UTC)
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Philip Neal

Looking for a weed killer for use on forecourts.

Does anyone have any suggestions and will I need to training on the use of it? HSE states that a certifcate of competency must be obtained if used professionally. 

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 13 April 2023 14:34:04(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

If you are acting in professional capacity yes this link is a start:  

https://www.lawnweedexpert.co.uk/news/post/license-to-kill-weeds

peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 13 April 2023 16:57:17(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Philip

To add to what AK has written, it is probably more effective to bring in the professionals than to decide who to train and then train them.

For starters, you need to know what weedkiller will work, which means identifying the weeds.

We have a problem at home with Spanish bluebells in our back garden. Bit like Japanese knotweed, I could hit them with e.g. Roundup for year after year and the weeds would simply continue to come back and spread further. 

[I don't have anything against the Spaniards but I don't like their invasive bluebells!!]

...and if your forecourt is a petrol one, you presumably wouldn't think it was OK to letting petrol seep into the ground - equally you shouldn't be allowing unnecessary quantities of pesticides get into the environment so this is for the professionals UNLESS you have a sufficient problem to justify investigating what is going to be needed and then decide that it warrants training up somebody inhouse to do what is necessary this year and looking ahead.

thunderchild  
#4 Posted : 14 April 2023 08:13:57(UTC)
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thunderchild

I'd also go with the outside contractor option, risk transfer. They will have done the training, CoSSH, PPE etc. and will also have the knowledge to know which weedkiller to kill which weed.

Philip Neal  
#5 Posted : 14 April 2023 08:44:35(UTC)
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Philip Neal

Thanks so its not just as simple as buying weed killer from B and Q in applying it?

Because its used in a professional enviornment I will need training ?

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 14 April 2023 09:12:25(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Unless you intend to change careers the suggeston is get the professional in as you are beyond the domestic environment. It's not only the training in selecting and applying the right product for the invasive species but also the insurance considerations covering employees (yourself), the general public (exposure) and company liability (spillages).

Or you can get a weed lance and burn away the offending greenery

https://www.diy.com/search?term=weed+lance Examples only - no affiliation

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 14 April 2023 09:12:25(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Unless you intend to change careers the suggeston is get the professional in as you are beyond the domestic environment. It's not only the training in selecting and applying the right product for the invasive species but also the insurance considerations covering employees (yourself), the general public (exposure) and company liability (spillages).

Or you can get a weed lance and burn away the offending greenery

https://www.diy.com/search?term=weed+lance Examples only - no affiliation

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 14 April 2023 09:16:29(UTC)
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Roundtuit

...with suitable hot works assessment.

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Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 14 April 2023 09:16:29(UTC)
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Roundtuit

...with suitable hot works assessment.

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Philip Neal  
#10 Posted : 14 April 2023 09:30:26(UTC)
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Philip Neal

Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post

Unless you intend to change careers the suggeston is get the professional in as you are beyond the domestic environment. It's not only the training in selecting and applying the right product for the invasive species but also the insurance considerations covering employees (yourself), the general public (exposure) and company liability (spillages).

Or you can get a weed lance and burn away the offending greenery

https://www.diy.com/search?term=weed+lance Examples only - no affiliation

|Yea the problem with that is Petrol and ingition sources dont go well together

RichardRG  
#11 Posted : 15 April 2023 12:24:03(UTC)
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RichardRG

For sure when using pesticides in a non-domestic setting, you'd need to complete a Pesticides Awareness (PA1) course and then depending on the application method, another course that addresses that. For example, PA6 for the use of knapsack spraying. 

In additon, you'd need to complete COSHH assessments for the specific pesticide that you decide to go with. They type of pesticide to use will depend on the weed as specified above, Roundup ProVantage or Synero is ideal for Japanese Knotweed although depending on the size of the stance, it may involve stem injection, excavation or simply spraying. Treatment methods vary for Knotweed vs Giant Hogweed for example.

If it's an invasive species, a domestic bought weedkiller will likely not do the job effectively unless it has glyphosate or another frowned-upon chemical in it, something like Rootblast available online via Amazon and the like. Problem being, it will kill everything including grass/trees, so it's important to be careful. Some industrial pesticides will only be sold to farmers or companies who have demonstrated a competency in using the producs. Hope this helps!

Edited by user 15 April 2023 12:25:09(UTC)  | Reason: Spelling Error

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chris42  
#12 Posted : 17 April 2023 09:22:11(UTC)
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chris42

I tried looking into this in the past and all leads I found take you to somewhere that states you can not spray weeds without a licence. I could find nothing that said you could not use a domestic type weed killer in a watering can for control for very small weeds. I’m not saying you can but could not actually find anything that said you can’t (even those offering training were very vauge on this). There was also a lot of talk of commercial use (as in you have a business doing this sort of work only) opposed to getting rid of a few small weeds around your car park edges or pathway as you may at home.

I one of the industrial estates we have a building I noticed they were going around putting salt on the weeds, but it takes a while to work. The other remedy I have seen used on small weeds was the use of vinegar (diluted a lot with water), apparently works. We tend to do manual weeding.

Chris

A Kurdziel  
#13 Posted : 17 April 2023 10:08:13(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

You do require a “certificate of competence”, which essentially records that you have completed an approved course on the safe use of weed killers. This will look at:

  • Selection-picking the optimum product so that you don’t need to spray repeatedly and can use the minimum amount of product
  • Safety- so that you are others are not exposed to risk, this is the COSHH bit.
  • Environmental issues so you don’t harm pets, wildlife and pollute water course etc.
  • How to store the  material safely and how to dispose of it.

 

It might be cheaper to get something off the internet but  if it goes wrong, you will leave yourself open to all sorts of grief.

  

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chris42  
#14 Posted : 17 April 2023 10:53:24(UTC)
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chris42

Quote “You do require a “certificate of competence”, which essentially records that you have completed an approved course on the safe use of weed killers”.

Excellent which piece of legislation is that in please, I would be nice to be able to list it. All I could find was either about spraying or someone selling training.

Obviously, you need to be competent to do any work, but if the instructions on the back of the container are ok for home users, surely, they are ok otherwise for the same infrequent small use. I’m not talking about Japanese Knotweed here or any other invasive weed. Yes all the relevant assessments and instructions in place etc along with appropriate storage (to ensure someone doesn’t think you can vape it, eat it, drink it, or smoke it etc).

Chris

peter gotch  
#15 Posted : 17 April 2023 11:01:39(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Chris

I think your starting point in terms of that all important Certificate of Competence is 

The Plant Protection Products (Sustainable Use) Regulations 2012 (legislation.gov.uk)

....which regulations define "professional" use by reference to agriculture and other sectors.

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chris42  
#16 Posted : 18 April 2023 15:02:08(UTC)
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chris42

NB

Not entirely clear, but it talks about professional user and professional products. Where to purchase professional products, you need to have done the training. As anyone can go buy from the likes of B&Q (others available and mostly preferable), they are not considered professional products and so do not explicitly need a certificate. Again as I noted before babbles on about spraying quite a lot.

Guidance from Cedrec splits professional use and non-professional use, and notes for non-professional use are such as “In the case of non-professional products following instructions on use and disposal of the product in accordance with instructions on the product label would help a user comply with the requirement to take “reasonable precautions””

However, as I said not entirely clear in either legislation or guidance. Not entirely convinced myself that a user albeit in work, using something from a normal DIY outlet is considered a professional user.

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