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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 19 April 2023 16:52:51(UTC)
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firesafety101

A lot of you are aware of the difficulties we have in getting stuff for our daughter, and a new one has emerged.

Her  OT has sourced a high stool/chair for her to reach the experiment benches in Chemistry Labs in college and because she needs a footrest a charitable organisation has manufactured and attached a footrest.

The OT contacted the chair supplier to inform them and they told her they cannot allow use of the footrest as they did not make or attach it.

A seperate footrest will now be purchased adding to the expense already paid for the chair.

Previously her Carer carried out experiments while Annie sat at a low desk and made notes.  At least now she can take proper part in the experiments.

You should know this is now April, nearing the end of the college year that started in September, Annie missed six weeks because the college refused permission for her to attend due to her complex issues. now following her taking Mock GCSEs in three science subjects and gaining excellent results she has been put into all three subjects at the higher papers and the college are very proud to have her. (Chemistry, Physics and Biology).  Pre access course Sciences.

I do understand why but isn't it great to have all these barriers in the way of providing access for disabled people.

Kate  
#2 Posted : 19 April 2023 20:17:37(UTC)
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Kate

Oh for goodness sakes.  What authority does the chair supplier have here?  I can quite understand that they would refuse to accept liability if something went wrong with the modified furniture but other than that what business of theirs is it?

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 19 April 2023 21:00:11(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
What authority does the chair supplier have here?

They have designed, manufactured and supplied with a specific user in mind in execution of their duties under The General Product Safety Regulation 2005 (where other legislation does not exist).

Unauthorised modifications not only invalidate any guarantee they jeapordise the manufacturers identified controls for product use and leave them exposed to regulator activity.

Having been made aware of the change they have been put in a situation to either accept the risk including liability for injury or death or make clear their product cannot be used in the suggested manner.

In reality the manufacturer should have been approached for a solution rather than being asked to validate well intentioned work by others.

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 19 April 2023 21:00:11(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
What authority does the chair supplier have here?

They have designed, manufactured and supplied with a specific user in mind in execution of their duties under The General Product Safety Regulation 2005 (where other legislation does not exist).

Unauthorised modifications not only invalidate any guarantee they jeapordise the manufacturers identified controls for product use and leave them exposed to regulator activity.

Having been made aware of the change they have been put in a situation to either accept the risk including liability for injury or death or make clear their product cannot be used in the suggested manner.

In reality the manufacturer should have been approached for a solution rather than being asked to validate well intentioned work by others.

firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 19 April 2023 22:16:55(UTC)
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firesafety101

Kate, thank you for your thoughts, Roundtoit, also thank you.

The Occupational Therapist who has worked very hard to get the correct seating for Annie felt her duty was to ensure the supplier was informed, and that seems to be the problem.  I understand the supplier's point of view and also the OT's duty to her employer.

I just wanted to highlight a further hurdle that needs to be jumped over to enable a disabled student to access her further education.

kmason83  
#6 Posted : 20 April 2023 14:16:03(UTC)
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kmason83

It's very poor form on the college to not provide more inclusive access, frankly it's not good enough. The problem in FE is that they push away better practitioners by putting money at the top in the hands of the loudest whingers and the biggest butt kissers. Very few people in charge in FE have any clue about how to apply realistic solutions without loading more pressure on the ridiculously underpaid support teams or throwing money away on a solution sold to them by some know nothing passing trade with sparkly eyeballs! 

Have this College anything to say for themselves on inclusion - like anything real other than the PR crap they spin (like most organisations) about how inclusive they are when in reality they do not listen or know a thing other than how to impose their able bodied guilt. 

I actually was called obstructive and discriminatory by my current employer because rather than jump and go and install an evac chair straight away I asked an individual in a wheelchair if they wanted to use an evac chair - individual said no btw. 

kmason83  
#7 Posted : 20 April 2023 14:20:18(UTC)
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kmason83

There's no red tape btw just a bunch of overpaid clueless a**e holes who are terrified of their own shadow. Accessible equipment can be made and adapted and if you have someone who can do the right paperwork yu can make anything work. Communication and a pair of .............yep  

peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 21 April 2023 10:16:15(UTC)
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peter gotch

Firesafety - to be honest I don't see this as an extra hurdle but rather one of the Occupational Therapist most probably making a mistake and failing to specify what was needed.

So it appears that the stool supplier has supplied what was specified but that alone was not suitable as your daughter wasn't tall enough to use the stool without a foot rest.

If competent, the OT should understand the anthropometrics and should have realised that your daughter would need a foot rest. Not suggesting they are NOT competent - they have probably simply made a mistake for whatever reason (including likely having excessive workload - if you were to do a root cause analysis of this, it would be likely to end up with HM Government).

It's quite probable that the stool supplier makes stools with adjustable seat heights AND adjustable foot rests, which would be likely to be much cheaper (thence easily meeting the requirement for "reasonable adaptation") than making something complete with footrest specifically designed, bespoke, for your daughter.

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