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damian2701  
#1 Posted : 05 May 2023 11:13:29(UTC)
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damian2701

Hi Iosh Community,

Has anybody had any experience with fly-tipped asbestos waste?

I am working with a client as PD on brownfield development and an unscrupulous individual has fly tipped waste what looks like ACM’s – corrugated asbestos roof sheets.

Do we follow strict protocol as laid out Control of Asbestos Regulations 2012 where the waste is to be surveyed to identify what kind of asbestos it is and then treated accordingly – it appears the client has engaged a local waste collection service but my question is (which I have conveyed onto the client) is – do we know what kind of asbestos it is – you can not simply engage a local waste collection service based on a personal interpretation and visual – even if it has been illegally dumped.

Would Regulation 15 Arrangements to deal with accidents incidents and emergencies prevail – I feel it would! – any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Damian

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 05 May 2023 12:30:54(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Damian

The asbestos regulations give you the chance to take a conservative review and assume that the waste contains asbestos rather than sampling and getting the samples analysed.

So, your starting point is HSG264.

Which leads you to decisions:

1. Materials which you can reasonably assume NOT to contain asbestos.

2. Materials which can assume to be ACMs.

3. Everything else where in this case a Demolition/Refurbishment survey would be appropriate. [Probably very little of what is present]

So, you have corrugated sheets. They might NOT contain asbestos but it is probably easier, quicker and cheaper to assume they do.

So, then it's all about the cradle to grave documentation for the carriage and collection/disposal of dangerous waste that needs a paper trail.

As for the on site handling, I am fairly sure that one of HSE's numerous guidance sheets deals with AC sheets. In simple terms you need to assess the degree of damage and hence how friable the material is. Then take appropriate precautions. In simple terms apart from the edges of broken sheets, the asbestos should be well bonded within the cement. 

P

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damian2701 on 05/05/2023(UTC)
damian2701  
#3 Posted : 05 May 2023 12:54:50(UTC)
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damian2701

Hi Peter,

It seems as though the Client has gone gung-ho on this and had the waste removed - just been provided a Hazardous Waste Consignment note on its current resting place - so it seems the Client had some knowledge of dealing with contaminated waste by the look of things - but really appreciate the starting point for an instance like this - which leads onto how they got onto and was able to compromise existing security arrangements in preventing unauthorised access.

Cheers,

Damian

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 05 May 2023 13:31:57(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Damian

Might not be the Client's fault that some flytipping has happened.

Could have been dumped before the Client took ownership. 

After that point in time what you do to protect against unauthorised access should be proportionate to risk, i.e. what is reasonably practicable.

...and fly tippers don't play by rules of reasonable practicability.

I would take the view that you should be expecting ACMs at ANY brownfield site, INCLUDING those which have been buried at some point in the past.

...and any competent Client would be setting aside a sum for dealing with this and other ground contamination when redeveloping a brownfield site.

When the insurance market tightened when it came to the potential for asbestos claims, my former employer (like others) went into risk averse mode and decided not to do anything that might involve "work with asbestos" within the meaning of the regs.

In practice that would mean never touching any project on a brownfield site, unless all the necessary site investigations had already been completed, but if you are in a business where part of your role will be likely to involve specifying the investigations that's not really a viable option.

Strangely the lawyers were entirely relaxed about our staff working on a project where much of the contamination was hexavalent chromium. Just about as deadly but didn't mean the dreaded A word!!!

If you are going to be working on similar projects going forward you might want to look at all the CIRIA guidance and training packages on contaminated land. All good for your CPD!

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MariahHocking on 11/05/2023(UTC)
damian2701  
#5 Posted : 05 May 2023 13:40:20(UTC)
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damian2701

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks again for your reply.

I feel if the asbestos waste had been dumped there prior to the client taking occupancy - I'm of the opinion there would have been a clause or condition within any legal agreement for any suspect materials either tested or not to be removed prior to taking possession.

That's why I'm convinced the waste was fly tipped after sign over of the ground ahead of the development.

Thanks Damian

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peter gotch on 05/05/2023(UTC)
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