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MrBrightside  
#1 Posted : 30 May 2023 13:55:45(UTC)
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MrBrightside

Hi All,

I did my construction cert back in 2001 and I haven't been in the construction game for a while, so I am a little rusty on CDM. Would it be worth re-taking my NEBOSH Construction Cert (I assume you can re- take it) as an aid to get myself back upto speed? or are there any avenues you would recommend?

Thank you

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 30 May 2023 14:38:00(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Mr Brightside

Perhaps you could give an indication of what your job entails and/or what you might be thinking of next.

You did your NEBOSH Construction at a time when we had CDM 1994 and the Construction (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1996.

These got merged in CDM 2007 and remain merged under CDM 2015.

CDM was supposed to be about "tranposing" the EC Temporary or Mobile Construction Sites Directive in which Annex IV highlights some specific risks.

In the UK Annex IV was dealt with mostly by consolidating (with very little change to wording) previous requirements of four codes of Construction Regulations 1961 and 1966 so as to leave CDM dealing with just the management issues covered by the Directive - in effect taking the duties to e.g cooperate with other parties as set out in the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations then 1992, now 1999 and putting them into a construction context.

One of the problems with merging CDM 1994 and CHSWR 1996 into the 2007 and 2015 variants of CDM was that subsequent training courses tended to spend too much time talking about e.g. support for trenches and welfare with less time on the management issues.

Since the training courses almost invariably spend time on discussing all the exceptions to the rules (which projects don't require a Principal Designer and Principal Contractor and which don't need to be notified etc) this further dilutes the discussion of what all the key duty holders should be doing. 

So, I think you should consider what sort of construction projects might be landing on your plate in the next few years as this will help you with whatever revision is appropriate.

As a starting point, I would download L153 from the HSE website but NOT waste too much time on the exceptions to the rules!

Good luck, Peter

achrn  
#3 Posted : 30 May 2023 15:37:16(UTC)
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achrn

Personally I wouldn't voluntarily touch any part of NEBOSH, let alone 'again'.

As Peter mentions, quite a lot of change (two revisions).  Note in particular there is no longer an ACOP, only various flavours of 'guidance'.

In addition to L153 have a look at the CITB 'industry guidance' suite of documents at https://www.citb.co.uk/about-citb/partnerships-and-initiatives/construction-design-and-management-regulations-2015/cdm-regulations/  These are not HSE documents but are in some way endorsed by them (they have a HSE logo on the front).

A few key questions to know the answers to before you dive into the guidance:

Will you be on projects with a domestic client (a homeowner paying for work to their own home where they reside)? If so you need to brush up on the implications of 'domestic client' but if you never deal with that you can let all those rules slide by.  People with 'buy to let' properties don't count (apart from teh one they actually live in).  Rich people who own a company that owns their house don't count.

Will you be advising Clients, or Contractors, or Designers?

Note that it is finally accepted that 'Principal Designer' does not mean it should be a natural person (ie living human individual) - in almost all cases it should be an organisation. (I don't know why that was difficult to grasp for so many people for so long - no-one ever thought the 'principal contractor' was an actual bloke with a shovel.)

One commonly confusing gotcha - 'pre-construction phase' just means design phase.  The pre-construction phase almost certainly doesn't end before the construction phase starts - because design is often ongoing (not 100% finalised until after the works are under way).  Don't be fooled into thinking 'pre-construction' means it's over once construction starts.

Edited by user 30 May 2023 15:39:25(UTC)  | Reason: misplaced bracket, also spilling

thanks 1 user thanked achrn for this useful post.
Kate on 30/05/2023(UTC)
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