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The Bibby Stockholm barge currently organised to hold the gentlemen from abroad has been declared a safety risk by the FBU and, I also heard the HSE. What regulations would that be under considering it is a floating 'hotel' of sorts.
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"A statement from the Dorset & Wiltshire Fire Service said it is the responsibility of the Home Office and the vessel operator to complete a fire risk assessment and to ensure that the necessary fire safety measures are in place. The Home Office was asked on Tuesday morning who had legal responsibility for fire and other health and safety checks on the Bibby Stockholm, but did not respond." According to the Guardian. so RRO I assume. However the same article says "“Delay is because working practices for port workers have to be signed off for the Health and Safety Executive. There are no fire safety issues,” the source said." which seems to muddy the waters (excuse the pun) somewhat.
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Not seen the report, but if its HSE and Not Local Authority looks like they are classing it as "prison" or similar (sorry dont have the enforcing regs to hand) not a hotel. If its in the harbor i believe all standard H&S legislation will apply. Additional as it has more than 12 "passengers" may need a boat licence
Register a boat: Overview - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
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Fire safety for this vessel will not be enforced under the RRO as the Fire safety order doesnt apply to ships unless they are permanently moored - ie, cannot move.
However the FBU seems to playing politics here as they (FBU) state the vessel was originally designed for 200 people, but the Home Office want to put more than 500 in it However, if you look at the Bibby website, they state the vessel has a capacity of 506
So why the FBU are mentioning capacity is beyond me
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Messey, Bibby's fact sheet says she is classed by Lloyds as a "moored pontoon", not a ship so where does that fit in? I must admit that although I've done a lot of FRAs over the years I've never yet done one on any sort of vessel! I also wonder if the objection is policitically motivated. Bibby Stockholm has 222 cabins, so to get the level of occupancy they are talking about the new occupiers will be two to a room in bunk beds instead of in a room of their own (as the bedroom layout on the Bibby website shows and where they also describe it as "luxury living on board"!) and I can imagine that might be a political hot potato!
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Trust me Heather, as a former member of the FBU for 32 years, this complaint is definately political!!!! The RRO's definition of ship is : includes every description of vessel used in navigation
Google searches for definitions of: 1) Vessell in navigation is: A vessel is considered to be in navigation when it is engaged in transportation and commerce on navigable waters. The ship doesn’t actually have to be moving when workers are injured, however. Vessels that are in dry docks due to routine or minor repairs are still considered to be in navigation. 2) Vessell is: Vessels are generally defined as floating structures that are used for commerce or to transport passengers, cargo, or equipment on navigable waters. Common examples of vessels include barges, tugboats, fishing boats, cargo ships, and cruise ships.
I suggest the 'Coastel' (as they refer to it) doesnt fall under the RRO as its a 'vessel' and its not permanently moored
I really hate this idea as its even more expensive than a hotel - and to put people potentially traumatised by a near-death boat voyage ....on a ship, seems a bit insensitive
The use of the barge prior to this was for staff living quarters and does not seem to have included kids and people that will be on board a lot of the time during the day (not out working). Boredom, fear & frustration may lead to greater alcohol use and smoking onboard, so I hope all this has been taken into account during the RA
506 people in 222 rooms doesnt seem very luxurious to me!!!!
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Originally Posted by: Messey  2) Vessell is: Vessels are generally defined as floating structures that are used for commerce or to transport passengers, cargo, or equipment on navigable waters. Common examples of vessels include barges, tugboats, fishing boats, cargo ships, and cruise ships.
I suggest the 'Coastel' (as they refer to it) doesnt fall under the RRO as its a 'vessel' and its not permanently moored
By the definition you have quoted it is not a vessel, because it is not used to transport passengers, cargo or equipment. If it's merely housing people while stationary, it isn't transporting them, nor is it ever intended to transport them. It's surely no more a vessel than a site portacabin is a vehicle.
Having said which, the statements made will undoubtedly be political, and the reports in the press will undoubtedly be inaccurate and misleading. However, that's what you get for allowing a post-truth society.
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Originally Posted by: achrn Originally Posted by: Messey I suggest the 'Coastel' (as they refer to it) doesnt fall under the RRO as its a 'vessel' and its not permanently moored By the definition you have quoted it is not a vessel, because it is not used to transport passengers, cargo or equipment. If it's merely housing people while stationary, it isn't transporting them, nor is it ever intended to transport them. That was my feeling too (not a vessel), especially as its definition as a pontoon apparently comes from Lloyds of London. I agree it certainly doesn't sound like my definition of luxury accommodation!
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Originally Posted by: Heather Collins Originally Posted by: achrn Originally Posted by: Messey I suggest the 'Coastel' (as they refer to it) doesnt fall under the RRO as its a 'vessel' and its not permanently moored By the definition you have quoted it is not a vessel, because it is not used to transport passengers, cargo or equipment. If it's merely housing people while stationary, it isn't transporting them, nor is it ever intended to transport them. That was my feeling too (not a vessel), especially as its definition as a pontoon apparently comes from Lloyds of London. I agree it certainly doesn't sound like my definition of luxury accommodation!
I would suspect that much (if not all) of the hotel rooms that they have been housed in are described as 'luxury accommodation'. May I also suggest that it is strange that the FBU did not feel it needed to raise these concerns when these refugees were crammed into these hotels where many of these issues were also obvious?
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I heard there are now people in the barge with more to go today?
The FBU did not make a song and dance about it because they don't represent the fire service, that's what I think anyway.
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