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Sarah Yates  
#1 Posted : 10 October 2023 10:33:46(UTC)
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Sarah Yates

Can someone help me please understand competency over supervision

We work in a factory, carrying out construction work. We build modular houses out of light gauge steel frames and also do all of the building elements such as rendering, plastering, plaster boarding ect.

Im trying to understand if work in the factory requires supervison at all times, if operatives have receivec the necessary training to carry out this work, does this mean they are competnt enough to work un supervised but have been given direction of the work that is to be carried out that day.

If the production mamager had set the tasks that morning before leaving site for the day. Would this have been ok if the staff had been trained on how to carry out these tasks 

Also what would supervision entail 

Edited by user 10 October 2023 11:03:10(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Kate  
#2 Posted : 10 October 2023 14:26:45(UTC)
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Kate

They may have been trained to carry out the work, but do they have the ability to respond correctly to unexpected difficulties and events?  Who would be responsible for making decisions about what to do if something goes unexpectedly wrong?  That is often the most important part of what a supervisor is for.

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Sarah Yates on 10/10/2023(UTC)
Tstamps  
#3 Posted : 10 October 2023 15:04:24(UTC)
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Tstamps

Its not really a black and white decision, more that if they are well trained, experinced etc then the level of supervison can be reduced if inexperienced etc then supervision increased

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 10 October 2023 18:02:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

"Skilled" workers do not necessarily need hand holding. HOWEVER if you have down skilled (anyone that can swing a hammer has a job) then suitable supervision is a must.

Then you move in to a new area that as modular off-site you are creating a product intended to last for a considerable amount of time in a factory environment.

You will not have a "Clerk of Works" like a traditional construction site checking that if the drawing states "fit fire stop A" said fire stop has been installed so instead need significant Quality Control activity.

From experience the QC documents proving the correct activity occurred in the correct order become vital particularly when the mortgage to pay for the build is dependent upon them.

Rushing round ticking boxes after the event is a recipe for disaster especially in light of the recent changes under the Defective Premises Act which this absent manager and the board may like to read.

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 10 October 2023 18:02:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

"Skilled" workers do not necessarily need hand holding. HOWEVER if you have down skilled (anyone that can swing a hammer has a job) then suitable supervision is a must.

Then you move in to a new area that as modular off-site you are creating a product intended to last for a considerable amount of time in a factory environment.

You will not have a "Clerk of Works" like a traditional construction site checking that if the drawing states "fit fire stop A" said fire stop has been installed so instead need significant Quality Control activity.

From experience the QC documents proving the correct activity occurred in the correct order become vital particularly when the mortgage to pay for the build is dependent upon them.

Rushing round ticking boxes after the event is a recipe for disaster especially in light of the recent changes under the Defective Premises Act which this absent manager and the board may like to read.

antbruce001  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2023 08:11:05(UTC)
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antbruce001

The level of training & experience (i.e. competence) does not dictate if supervision is required, only the level of supervision needed.

The HSWA, and the bulk of the H&S Regs include a specific requirement to provide, information, instruction, training and supervision. It does not say 'supervision to less experienced staff', it means to all staff.

The question should not be 'Is supervision required?', but 'What level and type of supervision is required, based on the level of competence within the workforce?'

Hope it helps.

Tony.

Edited by user 16 October 2023 08:37:05(UTC)  | Reason: Missed word!

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A Kurdziel on 16/10/2023(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 16 October 2023 08:54:23(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Hi

As has been said supervision and competence are not mutually exclusive. Understanding if your employees are competent is a key skill (perhaps THE key skill) of anyone claiming to be a manager. In particular is the  understanding that there are degrees of competence: someone can be left alone to  carry out a routine task but if anything untoward happens (for example a blockage in a piece of machinery) are the staff competent to deal with issue alone or do you need take over and supervise them?  Think about the Swiss Cheese model: the first slice is the SOP/SSOW/RAMS  level of control. The next slice is competence: do the people doing the job understand  the limits of their knowledge  and are they able to ask for help when they need to?  

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