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#1 Posted : 08 November 2006 11:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Morrison Am I correct in saying that all members of staff have to receive some basic training on the selection and use of fire extinguishers, or only those nominated as fire wardens/marshals etc? I am being given various different views form service providers Thanks Bill
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#2 Posted : 08 November 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris121 The Fire Safety Risk Assessment Official Guide states the following as a minimum all staff should receive training about: • the items listed in your emergency plan; • the importance of fire doors and other basic fire-prevention measures; • where relevant, the appropriate use of firefighting equipment; • the importance of reporting to the assembly area; • exit routes and the operation of exit devices, including physically walking these routes; • general matters such as permitted smoking areas or restrictions on cooking other than in designated areas; and • assisting disabled persons where necessary. Case study Dependant on the size of your organisation I personally would arrange for formal training on the safe use of extinguishers for the key persons (i.e. fire marshals, managers etc) and then ensure that remaining staff are aware of their types and safe use by means of a suitable information poster/booklet and displaying the appropriate signage above each extinguisher.
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#3 Posted : 08 November 2006 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Bill There are two schools of thought even amongst fire authorities. 1. Everyone should be trained in use of fire extinguishers. [Says this on our local, very old, fire certificate] 2. Everyone should be trained to understand that they cannot realise quite how quickly a fire can develop, and that they should leave fighting fires to the professionals. Life safety is the paramount consideration - i.e. get out. [What I was taught, as an HSE Inspector, on a Practical Fire Safety course, delivered by another fire authority] There was a fatal fire in an anorak factory in Glasgow involving a single roll of quilting material. The cutter went to the main exit and collected an extinguisher. Went to put out the fire - by this time smoke etc up to the ceiling and towards exit, trapping the victim. Regards, Peter
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#4 Posted : 08 November 2006 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh Typically you HSE inspector will say yes, train people in fire extinguisher use etc..... When you ask (I have, a bit impishly) "do you want them to fight fires then" - they will say "no". For sure. I sometimes think we should remove the requirement to provide extinguishers and concentrate on fire detection, tarining and means of escape....
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#5 Posted : 08 November 2006 20:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Wood For what it costs, train your staff in how to use the equipment you provide. In response to the Glasgow incident lets turn it on its head. Lets say that someone needs to use an extinguisher to aid there escape or the escape of a fellow worker? The RRFSO asks the question, 'do you provide training in the use of portable fire fighting appliances'? When I carry out fire risk assessments for clients I always ask this question, if 'NO' is the answer then I advise that they arrange training. Persons are at greater risk if they do not know how to use the equipment properly i.e standing reading what to do with the equipment or using the wrong extinguisher on a fire, or having a go at a fire and not knowing what to expect when the extinguisher is discharged i.e a lot of noise from a CO2 etc. these training days can be done at your own premises by your fire extinguisher supplier, ask them for a price and make sure that your staff have a go!
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#6 Posted : 09 November 2006 08:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever Bill I am a fire safety specialist. My view is that fire marshals should not specifically be the persons trained to use an extinguisher. Generally you train fire marshals to evacuate the building carrying out a sweep and then reporting to the fire service the status of their floor/area and provide other vital information to the fire service. They cannot do any of these if they are busy tackling a fire. In most circumstances you are required to provide portable firefighting equipment and if you provide the equipment then you are required to ensure some staff are trained in the use of the equipment. There is no law that can force trained users to tackle a fire. If they choose not to tackle a fire then that is their choice. Portable firefighting equipment is life safety equipment. It's primary purpose is to ensure that occupants can escape safely. It has an added bonus in that a fire nipped in the bud in the early stages can save the property and can ensure staff have a job to come back to the next day. It also reduces the risk to firefighters who may otherwise have to enter a building in which there is a well developed fire.
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#7 Posted : 09 November 2006 08:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I have heard so many times that extinguishers should be used to allow people to escape. Yeah right, let's see, the fire exit is on fire? What? My point, when does this actually happen? Ask the fire brigade, they always say "get out, call us out". As for using an extinguisher, even if trained, in a real fire most people will struggle. I really question the value of providing extinguishers and training; heresy I know. So let's have specific examples of were Jo Ordinary has used an extinguisher to escape.
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#8 Posted : 09 November 2006 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny There is a fire extiguisher in our corridor, if my waste paper bin starts to smolder I would use it but if a fire was beyond putting out with the extinguisher then I would leave it to the experts. Why have fire equipment in a building if people shouldn't use it? This is very similar to the question "If my work mate cuts his atery do I try to stem the blood or should I phone an ambulance and let the experts deal with it?" It would be interesting to know how many small fires had been extinguished by an employee thus preventing the loss of a building. Manny
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#9 Posted : 09 November 2006 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny Sorry, in answer to the original question: Yes give your staff some basic training. Manny
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#10 Posted : 09 November 2006 18:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor It has been estimated that the fire brigade are called to about 1 or 2 out of every 10 fires - so someone else deals with the others. A quick response by a trained person when safe to do so could save lives, jobs and businesses - presumably why there is a legal requirement to provide the means of extinguishing fires. I have provided training for as many groups of employees as management have allowed - including the hazards of smoke and other combustion products and the basis upon which decisions can be made as to whether to attempt to use an extinguisher. If you can't get all employees on a training session, you can encourage a cascade type approach together with informative literature.
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