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Posted By Martin H
I am trying to obtain a copy of HSG 43 Industrial Robot Safety, but it appears it is out of print (and cannot be ordered).
HSE Books dont have any. A Google search resulted in no available copies. Does anyone have one they may wish to part with?
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Posted By Andy Petrie
I have emailed you a copy
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
A word of caution from your friendly neighbourhood Moderator.
So far as I can ascertain, when a work goes out of print this does not cause the copyright to evaporate. Copyright eventually lapses after a considerable number of years after an author's death, for instance.
Out of print HSE works, such as HSG43, for instance, are often still available via some of the subscription services such as Technical Indices.
You can, of course, freely give away a printed copy that you purchased.
However, sending on an electronic copy is quite likely to be an infringement of copyright.
Jane
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Posted By GeoffB4
Moderator: How about asking the HSE that question rather than passing your own opinion - after all, you might have got it wrong.
I simply cannot see the HSE objecting to the copying of an out of print book for non-
commercial gain.
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Posted By Martin H
My apologies. I was actually after a printed copy, rather than an electronic one.
I would still be interested if someone has a paperback.
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Posted By clairel
If you don't mind me saying, that sounds a bit suspicious, saying you don't want an electronic copy. I assume then that it is not the information inside that you after?.
Care to elaborate?
(By the way, I have a copy and you're not having it it!)
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Posted By Martin H
No problem Claire.
We are changing insurance companies for our LOLER inspections, so I am updating my list. Since the last inspection, we have had two robots installed, one of which is performing a lifting operation and one (in my view) is not.
I currently have a manager attending a NEBOSH General Certificate course. He mentioned the robots yesterday, and it was suggested to him that as well as looking at the LOLER documentation, we also look at HSG43.
We dont mind having an electronic copy - as long as it doesnt breach copyright. In addition, if we end up having discussions with the insurance company, I would rather refer to a legally obtained book.
Does it still seem suspicious to you, Claire, or have I answered all your questions?
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Posted By clairel
It was one question. And a valid one at that I thought.
However, I really doubt the insurance company will give a monkey where you got a copy from.
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Posted By GaryC40
Clairel - would you care to expand why this sounds suspicious? I'm struggling to come up with significant clandestine reasons for requesting a hard copy of an out of print HSE document.
Maybe i'm just too naive and trusting!
Spiesrus
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Posted By TonyB
Martin (and all)
Just for information. Many of the online resourses like 'tech index' keep e-versions of out of date/publication documents. Therefore you can legally obtain a copy if you're a member.
All the best,
TonyB
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
Geoff - you may be right that the HSE would not object to people passing on out of print material in electronic format.
However, the electronic copies are largely in the hands of those who charge subscriptions, such as Technical Indices, and this is a source of revenue for themselves. They may not be so happy to allow people to send on copies.
If people want to share such material it is their responsibility to make enquiries to seek permission. It is the Moderators' job to point out the pitfalls. Out of print does not equate to out of copyright.
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Posted By GeoffB4
Jane, I know this is going to sound rude (not meant to be, simply lateral thinking), but I simply do not believe it is your job as a moderator to point this out. It is already written down on the forum and we are, after all, mainly knowledgeable professional adults.
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
But, Geoff, many posters clearly haven't read or, if they have, they choose to ignore the acceptable use guidelines.
Paul
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Posted By CFT
Geoff
With respect - and it is not my intention to appear rude either; but why do you constantly feel the need to challenge posts - quite so frequently?
Surely the response in question was made for the benefit of anyone who may not have been able to comprehend general copyright restrictions? Something the moderators have to remind us of all too often.? On that basis it would seem to me that the moderator was, on this occasion quite correct to do.
CFT
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Rekindling a topic!
Does anyone have a PDF of HSG43 they could send me please?
Thanks in advance and I hope this gets seen π€π€π€
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Does the fact that with many of the HSE documents you have the choice, either to purchase or to download a PDF for free not affect the situation regarding copyright and passing on the electronic copy that you have downloaded?
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I don't have this but do have a suggestion. There are free internet archive services such as Wayback Machine that allow you to recover web pages that no longer exist or have changed. You might be able to retrieve it that way.
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HSE documents have Crown Copyright which means that the copyright belongs to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second. I reality, as she, probably isnβt that bother, itβs controlled by Her Stationery Office(TSO). As far as government guidance etc is concerned, there is a public licence which allows taxpayers to make copies etc more or less at will as long you are not taking the micky. So old documents can be copied and passed on freely. The TSO charges for hard copies but that is only meant to cover printing costs, not make a massive profit for Her Majesty.
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 1 user thanked A Kurdziel for this useful post.
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Before sharing anything subject to Crown Copyright you have to comply with the terms of the current Open Government Licence. For HSE publications that means acknowledging that copyright, referring to the correct Licence and NOT copying the HSE logo (unless the rules have changed recently). So, it's usually easier to extract parts of a document and then put in something like: "Contains public sector information published by the Health and Safety Executive and licensed under the Open Government Licence" P
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Originally Posted by: JakeIOSH  Rekindling a topic!
Does anyone have a PDF of HSG43 they could send me please?
Thanks in advance and I hope this gets seen π€π€π€
Certainly spread your request for an out of date document widely throughout the forums
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Originally Posted by: JakeIOSH Rekindling a topic!
Does anyone have a PDF of HSG43 they could send me please?
Thanks in advance and I hope this gets seen π€π€π€
Certainly spread your request for an out of date document widely throughout the forums
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