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#1 Posted : 25 November 2005 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anne Smart Dear members, This is the fifth question in the 'Chart your views' series, asking for the opinions of members on a variety of topics. These questions have been posted as part of the communications plan around Chartered status, but you don't have to be CMIOSH or CFIOSH to have your say. We want to hear from you, regardless of your current membership category, professional experience or career path. Please don’t be shy, just be polite. We may want to use your views as part of our ongoing media campaigns, but if we quote you directly we will contact you first. Question (5) What led you to the health and safety profession? Anne Smart, IOSH Media and Marketing Assistant
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#2 Posted : 25 November 2005 12:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dee Two main things: A good friend who is a recruitement consultant who advised me there was a shortage of young peole coming into health and safety and therefore I would be in demand as well as extremely good money to be made - he was right. Secondly a very enthusiastic and infectious trainer who did my IOSH Managing Safely 5 years ago - Malcolm Green of IHT in Aberdeen, I thank you. Dee (25 year old MIOSH)
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#3 Posted : 25 November 2005 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Whilst working in a menial low paid job a fellow union representative said to me "we need a safety rep, how do you fancy it?" A few years later I work full time Health and Safety MIOSH with CMIOSH next June.
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#4 Posted : 25 November 2005 13:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Bircham Hi Anne, I imagine like many of us, I didn’t decide from the outset to make a career in H&S. Started out as junior clerk in 86 for BR, did a multitude of roles, working around the country and up the ladder, ended up as Station Manager for Intercity Great Western when the industry was privatised. Couple of buyouts later, the then Safety Manager (Wayne – where are you?) left when the pay structure was ‘amended’ to cut the salary bill and he was treated a bit rough. I had a reasonable aptitude for doing the H&S stuff well, seeing it as a necessary evil rather than as an integral part of the job (I had yet to be educated!!) By the time the posting came up permanently, I was bitten, and with the support of my Business Group Manager and the HQ Safety Manager, I was supported through the N. Cert then the old Style Diploma (Ian, Huw – will always be indebted to you both) Just before my final Dip Exam, following another re-org, I took the money and ran, one of the best moves made. Immediately found another position (experienced rail safety staff were – and still are – a bit on thin on the ground – it’s all consultants these days – No offence!) with an Infrastructure Company as a divisional safety manager. This role soon expanded and gave me the chance to learn all about how we build railways to balance my operations experience. This firm was also good to me, and as the role expanded, supplemented my H&S with QA & Environmental qualifications (John, Francis – still going strong I see – give my regards to Richard!). I stayed with this firm up until about 3 yrs ago, during which time I wangled my way up to the top of the HSQE Tree. I was then ‘approached’ re my current employer, London Underground. Initially I wasn’t too keen, and only agreed to go for the interview if it could be done on a day when I was due to pass through London, and could be held 1st thing. To my surprise the answer was yes. Went along, not really fussed about the opportunity, next thing I know I’m in negotiations re the package and then joined them. As anther good employer, they are also supporting my personal and professional development, so who knows what’s next. When I hit 40 perhaps I’ll sit and do some serious thinking about what I do with my ops / eng / safety experience Until then, I’ll just keep being thankful for my good fortune at being in the right place at the right time! R Bill
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#5 Posted : 25 November 2005 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Angela Hayden A few reasons. I have been involved in ISO9000 QMS for 10 years now. We originally employed a full time H & S person who we then decided to make redundant!!! However used her services as a consultant. This obviously didn't work out so well. Our company decided it would like to have an integrated system 18001 and 14004, at which point I was asked to set the system up. After making some enquiries and looking at the Specification I realised I could not do this without some training in H & S. I saw an advert in a magazine for Sponsorship of training with Esso/Rospa - I sent off my application and was lucky enough to be granted an interview, which myself and two others passed. This training was for the Nat Cert so was worth quite a lot. During this period we had quite a serious accident at work and we had no one on site. I took control of the incident and fortunately everything turned out to be OK, however it did highlight to me and my director the seriousness of the situation and the need for another fulltime H & S person. I was asked if I would fulfil this role - I thought about it for a couple of minutes and agreed, as I saw it as a good opportunity and a challenge to make our working environment a safer place and I did not want to see this type of accident happen again. I passed my Nat Cert and I am now doing the Diploma with the full support of my company. We have not attained 18001 as yet but I have just sent of the manual and procedures etc., and am awaiting pre-audit. This progression has opened up all sorts of opportunities to me and from running the QMS for so long it was a welcome challenge. Although I am finding it very difficult to study and work at the same time I have every intention of sticking with it. I look forward to hearing other peoples history. Angela.
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#6 Posted : 25 November 2005 14:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Antony Eckersley I used to be an apprentice trained printer and realized that I did not want to be on the shop floor for the rest of my life. So I got a prospectus from Leeds Met University and saw the occupational health and safety degree course. I thought with my experience of industry from the shop floor perspective I may be able to do this. It was one of the biggest decisions I made in my life going from a well paid job to being a student. I found it very hard at first as I had not been in education for seven years so I had to learn how to learn again. Once I had passed my degree course I got a job in a factory as a safety advisor and for the last seven years I have been a health and safety consultant which I enjoy very much. I started in IOSH as GRAD OSH and have been through all the levels up to the new CMIOSH status. I think it is very important that people who want a career in health and safety have worked at the sharp end. This will help them know how a business runs and the position safety should take within the organisation. There is nothing worse than someone who has been on a safety course and does not know how to properly apply safety philosophies for the industry they are assessing. From my experience they just like to quote legislation and tell the business owner you can’t do this or that with out thinking about what they are saying or using any practical approaches. This is the type of person who gives safety a bad name and can cause business owners to ignore any suggested improvements. If approached correctly health and safety is taken seriously by business owners and they tend to act upon practical sensible recommendations. Antony
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#7 Posted : 25 November 2005 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Manion Back ground in the HVAC industry. We had time served engineer due for redundancy - too costly for redundancy and introduced COSHH 1988 he did not understand neither did I. Legal dept could only state this is law. Then legionella hit BBC we had to liase with EHO and building managers - we had weakness - we had to develop thinking I was nominated. Enjoyed the challenge and then went on to cover others areas of H & S taking nebosh cert and dip and now have reached CMIOSH, these compliment my Public Health Qualifications, my emphasis is with Occ Health and Safety, JM
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#8 Posted : 25 November 2005 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton From working as a devt chemist in the chemicals industry - A work accident that caused a colleague to lose the sight in one eye and suffer facial disfigurement. It could so easily have been me, I began to take an interest in my own safety - and shortly thereafter, had the opportunity to take an interest in the H&S of others. Twenty five years ago! Steve
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#9 Posted : 25 November 2005 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Helen Horton Picture the scene - its 1977, the Health and Safety at Work Act had recently come into force, most industrial concerns were like a bunch of headless chickens and I was sitting my A Levels and having to decide on what I was going to do at University. My Dad and I went to a careers evening at Aston University and were handed some leaflets by Prof Richard Booth. We took them home, read them and my Dad said "this looks good to me, if you go into this you'll never be without a job, this is going to be a big issue" (he was in the building trade and had already been sent on numerous courses to do with H&S). So I filled in my UCCA form went to Aston, got my BSc and the rest is as they say history! I've always been able to pick and choose jobs and have now become a freelance consultant. Just before he died my Dad told me that the best thing that could happen to me would be to be made redundant and start my own consultancy business, if you're up there reading this website Dad - you were right again!
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#10 Posted : 26 November 2005 19:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Onigbanjo After I accepted a job as a multi-disciplined engineer, I was told on my first day, "by the way, you're responsible for H&S". I said I would do it so long as the company trained me properly. That was 1993. My organisation funded me through the Diploma and then an MSc. I enjoyed learning and applying the new skills, and being able to make a difference straight away. It wasn't long before the engineering went out of the window and H&S became my full time job. Regards, Dave O.
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#11 Posted : 26 November 2005 19:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mev After being in scffolding for 30 something years on many major construction and engineering jobs also working offshore I decided I wanted a change but still stay in the industry, iv'e seen so many changes over the years such as no fall arrest equipment being available (at the time it wouldn't have been used anyway)and price work meant taking as many shortcuts as possible, this was encouraged by management to get the job done quicker not just by scaffolders but the industry as a whole, the list of stories is endless, then I started taking more of an interest in H&S and the more I read the more I realised what a fascinating subject it is, I have been in full time H&S for some time now and find great satisfaction in educating people and influencng management although it can be an uphill struggle. Regards I
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#12 Posted : 26 November 2005 20:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd Have an engineering background. Was working as a project manager for a structural steel company, looking at training needs for the guys with a training advisor from CITB. He said that the NEBOSH certificate would be a good course for me to do. I'd never heard of it (yes, really) but it was only £125 one evening a week at the tech and I asked the boss if he'd pay for it. He said, "If you be our H&S officer". Once I got my certificate I knew I wanted to go on and do the diploma and self funded that, and moved into H&S full time. KT
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#13 Posted : 29 November 2005 23:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day By accident, literally !! I used to work as stage crew, lighting mostly. One of venues I worked at the House Tech (electrician, safety advisor etc) had fallen of a ladder breaking his leg, and was going to out of action for a while, as my face was known I was asked if I would be interested in doing the safety part of the job. Found I enjoyed it and decided to get qualified, put my self through the General Cert, Construction Cert, and some job specific courses. From there moved into a manufacturing company, great place to learn how NOT to do it - e.g Sales Director telling HSE to go away and make an appointment to an Engineer that kept cyanide crystals in his desk. From there I took the jump into construction have worked for a mixture of Consultancy and Principal Contractor in a mix of safety advisor, accident investigation and planning supervisor roles.
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#14 Posted : 29 November 2005 23:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Jones Having worked as a stunt performer for ten years (live performance and film & TV) and listening to people saying things like “you cannot do that because of health and safety”, I decided to investigate H&S by completing a NEBOSH Cert. Then discovering an enthusiasm for the subject I went on to complete the diploma and gain my MIOSH. The end result is that I got into safety to do more dangerous things………………….safely!
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#15 Posted : 30 November 2005 09:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Jones Ex RN (many years), then into multi-disciplined contract manufacturing (must stress NOT this employer!) where I was shocked at lack of H&S, company got reamed at re-insurance time for said lack, I got "volunteered" to run the H&S get-well programme (as long as it didn't cost too much - get the drift?), did a managers H&S course with a local training provider, got the bug, eventually decided to self fund General Cert and completed through distance learning (couldn't be spared for day release!), passed last year. My current employment now includes H&S, and Gen Cert was part of the "desirable" in the job advert. Next step - I'm looking at VQ4 probably starting in the spring. Oh, BTW, I'm no spring chicken, 57 and still going strong, so age isn't always a barrier, and I still enjoy learning after all those years away from formal education.
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#16 Posted : 30 November 2005 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson An obnoxious employer who had no understanding of the term "employment rights" or "welfare". But it's not just good for getting the wind up people, all though I (and others probably) found this a very satisfying way to gain insight and interest in the field. Dave (all heart) Johnson
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#17 Posted : 30 November 2005 12:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Dunckley After 20 years as a scaffolding engineer rising to a regional engineer, my employer decided that engineers were ideal for redundancy, during my final 2 years in the company I was encouraged to develop the role to cover safety. After 6 months sabbatical I joined my current employer who were looking for a safety officer who understood the working railway and significantly, scaffolding, because of my interest in railways I now work for that part of the organisation, I am surprised at the competency of rail safety advisers when required to think outside the confines of the rule book.
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#18 Posted : 30 November 2005 12:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rakesh Maharaj As a young aeronautical engineer in training (3rd year of my degree), I witnessed a mum-to-be, whilst in her 3rd trimester, fall down a spiral staircase disabling her permanently from the waist down and.... I immediately changed my discipline from AE to H&S and have never since looked back! Regards R
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#19 Posted : 01 December 2005 10:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler I was disabled out of the Army, not being able to carry out phisical work, so I had to become a desk jockey. As part of my rehab and resettlement training I was asked what I would like to do, I choose H&S and studied my NEBOSH General Cert at, as it was then RBLI Tidworth, had a fantastic instructor Frank Gazley. (95) If it was not for the RBL and the College I would not be where I am today. Chartered, who would have thought it, I know Frank is proud.
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#20 Posted : 01 December 2005 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler Please not the (95) next to Franks name is the year I took my NEBOSH Exam and not his age!!!!! Sorry Frank
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#21 Posted : 01 December 2005 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hilary Charlton Started as a Secretary working full time and after the birth of my second child was offered the opportunity to learn H&S and set up a system. I figured this was a reducing job (from setting up the system to merely running it) and took it so that in the fullness of time I could work part time (which, I am prepared to say was probably not the most professional reason for doing it!). However, I took to it like a duck to water and 10 years later on I am MIOSH and completing my first CPD cycle in June next year. I also work from 9am to 2pm so that requirement, which was unprofessional but the most important to me, was also fulfilled.
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#22 Posted : 01 December 2005 13:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Surprising perhaps how many of us ended here following the proximity of a major accident. Mine was on June 1st 1974 when one of my friends and I had finished a game of bowls, before the afternoon shift, at 1300. At 1650 he was dead - buried somewhere in a chemical plant explosion. He was dug out 21 days later, I had been standing on top of him for the previous five days and not known it. At that point I decided that there has to be some way in which the lives and limbs of those earning an honest crust could be better protected. I still meet some of the survivors and we still recall what we were doing at the time it occurred. I was 8 miles away when there was a loud noise and bits of plaster were dislodged from the walls of the house I was in. Bob
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#23 Posted : 01 December 2005 15:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hey Bob, that's Flixborough isn't it? They heard the bang in Rotherham so I'm told; what an introduction to H&S. Like others I got into this game because of somebody else's misfortune. Back in the 1980's I was vulnerably employed (on't dole) because of a failed attempt to close down the North of England (not that I'm bitter or anything...), and I ended up on a Community Programme scheme. I got elected to be the Shop Steward, and the T&G, bless 'em, put me through a ten week day release H&S course. This is where it all started. Some ten years later I was working for a care organisation and they needed somebody to point to when the Inspectors asked who the H&S person was, so they asked me, knowing I had an interest. Of course there was no funding, time or management support; until that is we killed somebody. Well, there was a death, and a major investigation with interviews under PACE and all, so my managers suddenly got very keen on doing the right thing. They paid for me to do my Certificate, I upgraded to TechSP via portfolio, and just before I left them for better things (well, more money) they had agreed to part fund my Dip2 at a local college. Now a C and happily contemplating re-writing our archaic DSE documents...now why did I get into this again? No, best job in the world, sad that so many have to suffer before we get taken seriously, John
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#24 Posted : 01 December 2005 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis John We are still part of folklore but increasingly there are people who were not even a twinkle in their father's eye at the time and the lessons are dimmed - Witness the Conocophilips report on the HSE website today - all basic lessons from Nypro. Bob
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#25 Posted : 01 December 2005 19:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Hilary As I started to read your posting I also started to cringe - "offered the opportunity to learn H&S". I then completed your posting and felt more comfortable that in your most successful ten years you had come to realise you couldn't just "learn H&S". I do think that too many people who are good in exams feel that once they have the certificate (and in the old days MIOSH) then that is it! But the reality that, thankfully, the people posting here recognise is that experience and training do have to come together to become effective. Best wishes Bill
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#26 Posted : 01 December 2005 19:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Marsh As an ex Fleet Air Arm Armourer of 34 years service, Health and Safety was unheard of in the mid 1960's. But Safety precautions were drilled into us from day one of basic training, and that has always remained with me. It just seemed a natural progression when i left the Navy to go into the Safety Precaution business, (Health and Safety). I now work as a civil servant for the MOD at a very busy Air Station and feel privileged to pass on all my experiences to a new generation of sailors who are very safety aware these days. Promotion prospects for a Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner in the MOD are not good, but the working environment does make up for it. I also do my upmost to help ex service lads who are interested in pursuing a Health and Safety career to get as qualified as they can be, and actually get stuck in and do the job. Peter Marsh. CMIOSH MIExpE MIIRSM DipRSA.
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#27 Posted : 01 December 2005 20:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Peter A rather good example of developing experience. If people like yourself and those that respond to these threads were to switch off I do believe the "younger ones" would be the losers, as would industry. I did pick up your rather 'negative' view of your lot in MOD - "Promotion prospects for a Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner in the MOD are not good". We have just seen a massive change in our lot with the award of "C". What's to stop you taking the challenge to create change in the MOD by getting them to recognise that the world (of 'elf an safety - as someone said!) is changing. Regards Bill
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#28 Posted : 01 December 2005 21:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Nolan The reason I got involved in H&S is simple, I nearly died at work due to a guard failure! 16 years later I’m at CMIOSH, doing H&S part time for my employer as well as other things. Trying to find full time job in manufacturing doing H&S now, no luck as yet but still looking!
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#29 Posted : 02 December 2005 08:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Douglas McFarlane It’s been fascinating to read about the variety of routes which have led each of us to where we are today. After 16 years in the Merchant Navy, ultimately as a Captain on large tankers, a close family bereavement prompted an overnight decision to seek employment closer to home and ideally onshore. Moored tankers on a North Sea oilfield for 2 years then gained an onshore based marine safety inspection job with a multi-national oil company. At that time, I thought I knew a fair amount about safety, and I guess that company thought I did too. Naivity all round! Somewhat uniquely, that post was located within the company’s HSE department and with overlap between the several roles in the department, this widened my horizons; in 1987 I took the Nebosh ‘Ordinary’; became hooked; and started to find the subject more and more interesting. In the early 90s took the Diploma and drifted further from the marine area; MIOSH; started CPD at the outset; RSP; now CMIOSH. So, it took me 11 years (about the minimum) to gain my Department of Transport Master’s Certificate of Competency; you might say it took 18 years (with several changes of employer, ultimately free-lance) to get to the CMIOSH. Along the way, I've had/seen a number of accidents, including fatalities, all of which, without exception, could have been prevented had appropriate communication, controls, resources and effort been in place. When I came onshore I thought I was fairly well founded in safety, but that was before I started down the practitioner route. I soon realised that there was a ‘new’ discipline out there with lots to learn – 18 years down this path I’m still learning and it’s still interesting, and stimulating! CMIOSH is the icing on the cake!
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#30 Posted : 02 December 2005 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven I'm not clever or talented enough to do anything else!!!! Sorry - only joking Like a number of others, I come from a trade union safety rep background. Started with Communication Workers (Post Office) Union in 1987. Had a break from 1991 to 1995 when I was a "full-time union branch secretary" (although I still retained an interest and kept my place on the safety committee. Went back to being the TU safety rep in 1995. At this time, the safety rep position, unlike the branch secretary post, didn't attract full-time secondment, and I spent half my working life carrying out other various Post Office admin and clerical duties. In late 1995, however, a part-time vacancy arose for a"safety officer", working with the Regional Safety Manager. For the next 6 years, I successfully (in my opinion) combined my role as the TU safety rep with the role of part-time safety officer - only once being accused by a particularly militant colleague of "running with the fox, whilst hunting with the hounds"! In 1996, I did my NEBOSH certificate and in 1997 I "hit the jackpot". The Post Office went for Investors in People". What a wonderful thing IIP was!! - suddenly we were awash with money! "Do the diploma Mike? - of course, you go ahead lad" In 2001, having completed the TUC tutors course the previous year, I became involved in the tutoring of TUC Stage 1 and 2 courses, got a place on the Post Office (Counters and Customer Management) national safety committees and did the TU role pretty much full-time. In 2002, I made a major change by leaving my Post office employment after 22 years (man and boy). I had joined the Post Office at 17 and, despite a number of job changes had never sougt or received any form of promotion, but was firmly established in my "comfort zone". Although I had my qualifications and a few bob in redundancy money, I did wonder whether I would ever find another employer, and whether or not I would end up stacking shelves at tesco (with all due respect to Tesco shelf-stackers - my wife is one). Four months later, after enjoying a long holiday, I got a job as Health & Safety Manager at a local Further & Higher education college. For the past couple of years, I have held my current posts as the Health & Safety Manager in a small district council and H&S Adviser to the local Leisure Trust. Sorry to go on, and I can't for the life of me think why anyone should want to read all this, but there are two points I would make. 1) Don't be afraid to leave your comfort zone. I have doubled my gross salary since I left the Post Office three and a half years ago and I wondered at the time, if I was doing the right thing!!! 2) Don't let anyone tell you that you can't get anywhere if you have the "baggage" of having been involved in the trade union - I've always found it to be a major asset and something that many employers welcome. Mike
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Posted By Lorna Morris Spent my childhood dreaming of being a doctor only to be told at 17 that I wasn't likely to get the grades. The careers office sent me along to the Town Hall & a friendly EHO took me under his wing. It was the best second choice I ever made although I had a few doubts in my sandwich year. Then 3 weeks into my first job, I investigated a serious accident & I was hooked. I've made a few bad moves in the attempt to specialise in H&S but am now in a job I love. I manage a team of safety officers in local govt - specialising in social care - so I occasionally get back to my public health roots. BTW I did get the grades for medicine but I'm still glad that I didn't change my mind.
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#32 Posted : 02 December 2005 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Manchester A genuine belief that work should be a means to an end and not an end in itself! Work should enable people to enjoy their lives. I feel that it is tragic when somebody is injured or becomes ill through their work to a degree that affects their ability to enjoy life. However, I find that this principle is often poorly understood. Whilst I have nothing against health promotion activity aimed at allowing people to make informed choices in their personal lives, I do not believe that it is an employers role to try to directly influence behaviour away from work. The role of health and safety professionals should be to to ensure that people are kept healthy so that they can make their own choices. For example, ongoing debates such as calls for employers to introduce drugs testing (where it is not based on a safety case) is actually contrary to the principle because it involves attempting to control peoples choices. Away from principles, the work itself is especially interesting because there is no work place or activity that is not relevant. I struggle to think of a more diverse field.
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#33 Posted : 02 December 2005 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Heatley Started life as a rubbish tip inspector for a North of England County Council in 1989 after qualifying with a BSc(Hons). No sign of health and safety within this line of work until about 1994 when I realised that to keep myself and my colleagues safe we needed some form of safety system. Off my own back I started looking into basic risk assessments, etc. My boss at the time (the great George Browell) backed me all the way when I asked for a day off a week to study for my NEBOSH Cert and then onto my NEBOSH Dip. I remained as a tip inspector and was directly transferred to an Enforcement Officer with the Environment Agency. I desperately wanted to get into the main stream h&s field, but found it very difficult as I had no direct experience - no-one would take me on, even the internal H&S postions were not open to me even though I was known to be extremely competent and able to do the job. I was eventually given a chance with a local authoity which I hated, but was lucky enough to secure a job with my present company in Scotland - thanks for the help guys. I have now been here 5 years and love every minute. All it took was for someone to give me a chance to prove myself!
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#34 Posted : 06 December 2005 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Emma Forbes The amazing wage for the little work I have to do. Oh, I wish!!! Just being facetious - bad day. I started with the council dealing with commercial contracts for waste collection and my initial career plan was to start undertaking the work done by the overall manager. So whilst poaching about in his office, offering to take on all sorts of tasks, I came across a little scrap of paper bookmarking a page on a book. This bit of paper was a risk assessment - the only one I had seen at this point (this wasn't 19-canteen, this was only 5 years ago!!). I wanted to expand my knowledge of these lickle risk assessments so put myself forward for IOSH's Managing Safely course. When I completed this course, it horrified me to see what little work we were doing with regards to health and safety so I started including it in my workload. Of course, H&S is hard enough to do stand alone without having to juggle it with something else, so I approached my head of service, threw a hissy fit and they created a post. I now look after 5 sections with approximately 300 manual staff and a dose of admin staff covering Parks, Waste Disposal, Cleansing, Burials - very diverse. Some days I look at the intranet at the vacancies and long to become a dinner lady/lollypop woman as it's too much at times, but then I think that if I didn't do it, no-one would or, it wouldn't be done properly! Can't bring myself to leave all the guys, that I know so well now, in the lurch.
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#35 Posted : 07 December 2005 17:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Extremely interesting reading so far folks! Pity that mine isn't really that different. Incidentally, what happens to the answers to these questions Anne?? Are you all sitting comfortably? Why not - you're H&S people and know all about DSE? I was a member of a Fire Service that had a Fire station on the River Thames [oh alright - Essex/Tilbury] and blagged, or was pushed - into the Station Union Rep post. Off I went on the TU standard course and I was so intrigued [and disappointed] that I went on the Part 2. Later [much later], I was made up to the Watch OiC on the same station and found that I was expected to arrange suitable training on all of the likely risks that we could attend. At this point my very rudimentary understanding of H&S just went into melt-down; so I approached some higher ranking officers with a request that I be sent on some form of suitable h&s course - this was in the dark ages when you had the NEBOSH Cert or Diploma and nowt else mind. The response was clear and unequivocal - and included terms such as "**** ***" & "this is the Fire Service"; so I started to look about and finance it all myself at a very modest level. A little while later it was suggested that I stop being so derogatory about training and start doing it myself - this meant moving to a day job [lost loads of money over that] and I again requested some formal training in h&s to better fit me for the real training job - with an amazingly similar response to my first suggestion! So I carried on and did the Diploma all by my lonesome [the tears should be welling up by now] and paid for it myself too. Strangely, I subsequently found myself in the peculiar position of being a low-ranking junior officer that knew loads more about h&s than anyone else in the Brigade and would get odd calls about "extremely hypothetical" situations froma very wide range of people. So in my niaivety, I thought to myself if it's like this now; how could it work if I did h&s for myself? When I was eventually retired [the vet refused to put me down - something about not being worth the injection] I set up for myself and have been irritating people even more since. There's lots more, but that's the publicly available, sanitised version. Bed-time story over; tuck yourselves in and sleep well knowing that there's lots like me around to fix the inevitable problems [and not always for a fee either]. Frank Hallett Frank Hallett
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#36 Posted : 08 December 2005 03:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roy Smith What lead me into health and safety, I think a large majority of people like myself enter into the field by natural progrestion, I have worked in the oil and gas industry for longer than I care to remember, in the `good old days` in the offshore drill industry safety was just paid lip service it just did not exist.A very serious accident happened in the middle east in which several people died in a short space of time, due to the lack of any safety procedures and planning. This has all changed now Thank God. Upon reaching management level within the offshore industry, I had a pressing feeling that I wanted to prevent personnel from getting injured. This to me and to many of my fellow safety personnel could be called natural progrestion. I then decided to do do something about it, I took the NEBOSH certificate and then attended Nottingham Trent on a part time basis. I am still working in the oil and gas industry and have travelled all over the world doing a job that I would not exchange for any other, passing on your knowledge and experience to others that have never been exposed to health and safety gives the greatest satifaction that you could wish for. The rewards can not be measured in money. Working in developing countries were life has very little cost you can feel that you are making a valuble contribution in preserving lives. You will never know how many injuries you have helped to prevented or lives saved, you can not measure this. I would recommend to any personnel working in the H&S field to consider a career in the oil and gas industry, there is a shortage of people who really do care. The money is good the work locations are sometimes very bad, but the satifaction is great.
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#37 Posted : 08 December 2005 06:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By A. L. Ure Being in the right place at the right time. In 1988 working as the office gopher for an Environmental Health department on the Isle of Wight, the Chief EHO was casting around looking for a warm body to go and 'get' the NEBOSH Diploma. I became the warm body and 'got' the Diploma and realised it was the most worthwhile thing, in career terms, I had ever done. I still think so, and that's also my response to the 'Justify Spending Money On the NEBOSH National Diploma' thread on the other forum as well. Got fed up with enforcement (totally overrated in my view) so worked in liability insurance and loss control for four years, learning all about OSH and risk management. Now, like Roy in the previous posting, work in the Oil and Gas industry and have had the privelege of working all over the world, in a constantly fascinating discipline in an industry which needs people like us, probably now more than ever. I'm writing this from Western Australia - Perth looks very nice today and I wouldn't be here without a career in occupational safety and health.
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#38 Posted : 08 December 2005 07:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter I was a chemist analysing samples from a strange breed called occupational hygienists; at that stage, I hadn't any idea about that discipline but the more I found out the more I decided that it sounded a lot more interesting than analysing the samples. I was given the opportunity to retrain as a hygienist (nearly 20 years ago, now) and then moved into consultancy. The consultancy decided that it was easier to sell the skills of safety advisors so put me through the NEBOSH Cert and Diploma and here I am CMIOSH and LFOH (and self-employed and loving it). Paul Leadbetter
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#39 Posted : 14 December 2005 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By kanta having worked in NHS as a Production Manager in Aseptic Production ( don't ask - too long to explain!),I started work for a private company, not long after starting,I got assigend a project on COSHH within the Company.Due to startling revelations ,precise information and evaluation techniques used,I was able to attain a 98% pass in my project.As well as a Bonus, I was assigned COSHH Project Team Leader. Along the way,being the nosy ol' battleaxe and resident trouble maker, I was able to point out many ways that the company was falling down on wrt to H& S. Hence a two years after starting my new job,I now have a new career. At times disheartening and at times uplifting,when some of info I impart is actually repeated back to me verbatim!!!. Kanta
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#40 Posted : 14 December 2005 12:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad Because I was off sick one day!!!! That's the genuine truth. I took a day off sick and it just happened to be the day my colleagues in the work shop decided to elect someone into the vacant post of shop steward/safety rep. I returned the following day and found myself elected, because I was not there to defend myself. This lead to EETPU shop steward and safety rep training, and I developed an unhealthy liking for this health and safety lark. Convinced management that I should go on the NEBOSH Cert course (the exclusive domain of managers up to then) and then managed to wangle myself out of the workshop and into H&S role for about 50% of the time. (using dubious arguments such as "you spend all this money on sending me on a NEBOSH Cert course, and now you dont want me to use it!!!) Got together with full time Safety adviser and together we managed to convince powers holding purse strings that diploma course must be done. Got that (first time, thank god) and been learning and applying the trade since.
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