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#1 Posted : 27 October 2006 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By jim852

• COSHH for Risk ASSESSORS
• Abrasive Wheels
• Asbestos Awareness
• Representatives Of Employees Safety Course
• Radiation Supervisor (IIR 99, RAS 93, RS (Transport by Road) Regs 96)
• Basic Food Hygiene Certificate.
• Confined Space Entry Procedures with Escape Sets.
• NEBOSH National General Certificate in Occupational Safety and Health.
• Managing Safely – (IOSH.)
• Safety at Work.
• Safety Awareness and Audits.
• Royal Air Force Station Officers Health and Safety Officers Course.
• Health, Safety and the Environment.
• Station Fire Advisors Preliminary Fire Prevention Course.
• The Ground Instructors Instructional Techniques Course.
§ Special Safety (Nuclear) Instructors Course

• Environmental Law & your business
• Institute of Environmental Management and Assessors Foundation Course
• Environmental Protection Officers Course.
• Environmental Law and Policy.
• Waste Management.
• Land and Water Management.

• 6 Sigma Sponsor/Champion
• 6 Sigma Green Belt
• Lean Management for Senior Managers
• Total Quality Management Facilitators Course. (Management2000)

Contact jb852@hotmail.co.uk
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#2 Posted : 27 October 2006 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Location?
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#3 Posted : 27 October 2006 20:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK
So essentially you've got NEBOSH Cert and been on lots of courses?

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#4 Posted : 30 October 2006 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By jim852
for jm82 Location is Peterborough but very willing to travel

For ITK - you cant see the experience then, a bland statement such as that belittles you
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#5 Posted : 30 October 2006 09:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay
Just another NEBOSHer!
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#6 Posted : 30 October 2006 09:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Jim you after work or a stetement of Experience?
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#7 Posted : 30 October 2006 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK
Jim, your posting was unclear, are you looking for work or just stating you have experience?

Not sure why you found the need to be offensive when I was only seeking clarification.

Regards

ITK CMIOSH
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#8 Posted : 30 October 2006 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke
Folks

Give the guy a break. I took the time to make contact privately, and he seriously has more responsibility than a lot of us, and given our short converstation - is one of those gems that does have a shed load of experience with out the quals. Give him a tardis and he'd come out with a degree tommorrow.

Regards

Linda
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#9 Posted : 30 October 2006 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay
Well said Linda!
YOu have to stick up for us "old-uns" who keep the country running without academic qualifications.

Jim is the nicest guy I know.
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#10 Posted : 30 October 2006 15:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Agree Linda but a bit more info on what Jim's asking for would have helped.
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#11 Posted : 30 October 2006 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By mark bargna
Why is it whenever qualifications are mentioned somebody has to put CMISOH after their posting??

Get over it!!! experience counts and in some arena's more than qualifications.
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#12 Posted : 02 November 2006 13:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michelle Butterworth
Any credible employer will look for candidates with qualifications (these are responsible roles) but will also want experience to back these up. In my limited experience both are important.
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#13 Posted : 02 November 2006 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tommy Cooper
The difficulty I find is that employers usually want the qualifications and experience as a combination, but many employees who have the qualifications cannot get started on the career ladder to gain experience. Without experience I have seen many people stuck unable to get interviews, but everyone needs a chance to start somewhere.
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#14 Posted : 02 November 2006 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK
FAO Mark Bargna.

QUOTE

"Get over it!!! experience counts and in some arena's more than qualifications."

So you think a health and safety advisor should be employed solely on the basis of experience with no qualifications?
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#15 Posted : 02 November 2006 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Thats not what he said.

In my opinion experience talks louder than qualifications.

Give me some one with 10 years industrial hygiene experience, 10 years safety advisor experience and 10 years safety manager expereince any day over some one with little or no expereince but who has CMIOSH after their name. With suitable references checked with reputable companies obviously and a good interview showing their standard of knowledge and experience.

Des

RSPCA
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#16 Posted : 02 November 2006 14:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK
Des your argument is flawed.

QUOTE: some one with little or no expereince but who has CMIOSH after their name,

you cannot attain CMIOSH without experience.

http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...?go=membership.structure
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#17 Posted : 02 November 2006 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By MetalMan
I'm a little confused!!! While I'll be the first to admit that I'm no fan of fancy certificates and fancy titles, and I much prefer an experienced person rather than someone with a certificate without the experience. I agree with a previous poster that you cannot become a GradIosh/CMIOSH etc. etc. without both the academic qualification and the experience to back it up. While I can understand the frustration of people (myself included) with the posters who bash others who are not GradIOSH/CMIOSH etc. etc. I wonder if we are not shooting ourselves in the foot here by questioning the competence/experience/worth?of the Holders of the forementioned qualifications. I have worked very hard over the years to get experienced and to study for and take exams to become a member of IOSH, which is regarded as a premier organisation, the letters after my name (allthough rarely used) are something I am proud of .The CMIOSH title is something I and many others seek to attain as an indication to others of our commitment to our professional development. While the letters are not strictly needed to be good at your job, it is nice to say you have them after putting in all the hard work to get them.
Sorry if I'm waffling folks.
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#18 Posted : 02 November 2006 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neville
What puts me off joining IOSH and contributing to some of these forums is all the back biteing and bickering that takes place amongst members of the same organisation. This would look most unprofessional to most people on the outside, (including myself), and does the service a dis-service.

Although there is generally high quality input and discussion on here from the majority, there are a few people who just love the pointscoring game.

I am still pondering!

PS I fall in the category of having lots of experience but don't like the idea of being savaged by pedantics or pointscorers and paying for the privilege. ( I subscribe to SHP mag. though)

PPS. Thank you for the use of your website to voice my real concerns.

Just another Nebosher Cert holder!
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#19 Posted : 02 November 2006 16:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Keeler
Safety is the only industry i know with people up their own backsides spouting quals. Get real.
Regards all,
Dr Keeler and I'm only a Tech SP now Tech IOSH
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#20 Posted : 02 November 2006 17:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By mark limon
After my post and M D,rozarios on the chat forum yesterday and the positive comments madeI cant believe there is still squabbling over who or what is the most useful or best to have.
Well my Dad can fight your Dad so there, Im best.
Mark Limon techIOSH,CD10PoL(can drink 10 pints of lager)
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#21 Posted : 02 November 2006 17:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
That wasnt always the case of getting MIOSH or now CMIOSH. I belive that before the changes and introduction of CPD all you required really was your diploma for MIOSH and if you had MIOSH before Nov last year or what ever you got a free upgrade to CMIOSH no CPD etc required.

Therefore could there not be a bunch of CMIOSH wandering around with little experience and only a diploma which could have basically been bought off ebay to their names?
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#22 Posted : 02 November 2006 20:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By back to shy talk Edward Shyer
I’m sorry to say that once again we have people who have, turned a genuine enquiry into a debacle. Yes I do have both the qualifications and experience but do not brag about it. Give me a TROLL any time against the people who have heads where they do not naturally belong.

This thread started of with a person who was asking for some information although vague to begin with but ended with some responses with the old thinking of if I can get my bit to debate qualifications against experience irregardless of the subject I will do so.

Sorry if this is harsh but???? Sorry to Jim from a NEBOSHer from the early nineties and eligible for CMIOSH

Regards Ted

Ps Jim any experience is useful for whatever you do please do not give up hope.
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#23 Posted : 03 November 2006 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Norman T
IOSH states that it has 30,000 members, with 8,000 of them being CMIOSH.

I don't know what proportion of the membership contribute or even look at this forum - I'm sure it is a very small proportion.

So in my opinion, people shouldn't take the views expressed on these forums as being those of the majority of members.

I'm sure that the majority of the CMIOSH_ers don't look down on those that haven't attained that grade yet.

Don't be put off by the few vocal people - the majority are just getting on with their job like most other people.
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#24 Posted : 03 November 2006 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mev
Neville
That's one of the reasons I never renewed my membership this year
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#25 Posted : 03 November 2006 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sima Patel
Hi forum users,

Thanks for your contributions to this thread.

This thread has drifted away from the original topic and the moderating team have come to the joint decision that it should be locked.

The original poster, Jim 852, is invited to re-post his message on a new thread.

Kind regards

Sima Patel
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