Posted By Pete Longworth I don't want to sound flippant but the truth is it is what ever your employer wants to pay. I was in a similar position a few months ago and I quickly came to the conclusion that my only alternatives were to either accept the salary or look for an another job. Redundancy took that decision out of my hands. I quickly got another job at a much improved salary but I also found that the salaries on offer were many and varied depending on location, industry sector, level of experience / qualifications required etc. There really isn't any easy answer to your question and I am sure that there will be lots of people that will say that, for instance, they wouldn't get out of bed for less than 28K in your circumstances, but in reality it all comes down to what they want to pay and what you will accept.

Posted By Pete Longworth Thanks for that. I'm sure that puts everybody's mind at rest.

Posted By ITK £18K to £20K with the NGC.

Posted By CJS Cheers all for your views CJS

Posted By johnny Was that a serious comment 18 - 20k???

Posted By May Warley Hi Glyn, I am also working in Hull. Passed all 3 NGC papers in last Dec. I am a Quality Controller, in charge of the Quality, Environmental(have completed BSI ISO 9001 & 14001 and Internal Auditor courses) and Health and Safety issues. I had to ask for a pay rise after I have obtained my NEBOSH results, and my current salary is still a bit less than £14k a year!!!! I find that it's not easy to find a job with a decent pay in Hull either. Thanks May

Posted By ITK Yes absolutlely serious, £18K to £20K. Remember the NGC is a 12 day qualification aimed at managers, supervisors and safety reps, not full time health and safety officers. This is taken from the NEBOSH website; "NEBOSH's Certificate-level qualifications give a good foundation in health and safety for managers, supervisors and staff with health and safety among their day to day responsibilities." I have seen CMIOSH jobs in SHP on not much more than £20K, in fact there are at least two in this months SHP for £23K. ITK

Posted By ITK CJS, follow this link. http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...?go=membership.structure ITK

Posted By James M Not wanting to sound pompous but the issue that hits me from your post is are you qualified to undertake the role? I have a trainee that is doing his NT diploma at the moment and he is on £22k. There is no way he would be able to undertake a lone role of managing one of our projects. The question I keep asking MD's that I meet on my travels is would you allow someone to run their business finances that had done a two week course? Why then allow someone to run your H&S department with similar training?

Posted By CFT Simo Great response! CFT

Posted By johnny Agree with the experience - i know of a postion 40k no NGC!

Posted By Frankie I think it varies wildly, especially according to your industry. Does anyone else find construction seems to pay better? I also think that titles as a determinator of salary are misleading. I'm a H&S advisor on £25k, my OH does a SHE Managers role for £34k, but doesn't have that title (Grrr!) At the end of the day though, most companies will pay you what they think you're worth...

Posted By Pete Longworth It really makes me laugh when you see all these wildly differing figures put forward with such certainty. I wonder how many of those putting forward these figures are actually earning such sums themselves. You only have to look at the back few pages of SHP or the salary survey IOSH conducted a couple of years ago to see that there is very little consistency in the salary levels of people employed in health and safety. The truth is, as I said earlier, you will only get what the employer can get away with paying you. That's it.

Posted By AF Have a look at this previous thread http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...iew&forum=2&thread=18461

Posted By Richie H Most of these postings beg the word... Competence! Skills, knowledge, experience, qualifications should all be considered as a package and should be rewarded in the package! The thing that is disappointing is in most cases we have invested a lot of time, effort and financial resources into gaining NEBOSH Certs (Gen / Fire / Construction) / Diplomas and other qualifications, where the costs in general, are not reflected in the majority of salary packages offered. There is a similar adage to that of how much is my house worth? "What someone is willing to pay for it ! " It would be an ideal world to have salaries linked to competence, perhaps membership levels of IOSH could reflect competence.... just a thought! Cheers

Posted By snt I love reading IOSH forum, it always amuses me that qualification, salary and employment are issues at stake. Concerning this thread, I would like to break it down for analysis. First, remove the word manager from the title, you have Health and Safety. The manager at the end signifies added responsibility to be able to manage which involves among other things human, resources, finance, environment, business and stakeholders. In addition highly analytical skills. Usually employers look for management skills in form of recognised qualification or trainings, most degree holders would most likely scale through as they would have transferable skills in this regard. The H&S issues are highly specialised areas combining science, maths, physics, law, chemistry, ergonomics, psychology etc. From education perspective, these areas cannot be covered in 2 weeks typical of NEBOCH General certificate. NEBOSH gives the foundation of H&S to enable Directors, Managers and Foremen to be conversant with H&S issues for effective safe working. It is a requirement that these people are trained towards NEBOSH. Now tell me, if the MD is required to have training in this area, and it takes 2 weeks for completion, what value would it give to it? Other ranting is about competence on this forum. The fact that one has NGC does not confer competence on the holder. Though the law does not specify criteria for competency. However, IOSH defines competency as The law says that people who “assist” in managing health and safety risks need to be competent, although it doesn’t set out what ‘competence’ actually means and how you can achieve it. We believe that being competent means you must have: > relevant experience, knowledge, skills and qualifications > the ability to apply these in the right way, while recognising the limits of your competence > training and other professional development activities to maintain your competence." http://www.iosh.co.uk/fi...ncygoodpracticeguide.pdf So we are all competent but we are not all consultant. To be a consultant "you should be either a: * Chartered Fellow (CFIOSH) or * Chartered Member (CMIOSH) http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...?go=consultancy.register It therefore, follows that as an employer, going by the standard set by IOSH, I would prefer CFIOSH or CMIOSH. Most organisation employs H&S advisor to oversee these area of the job to enable the Director and Quality Manager to concentrate on other aspect of the business. So salary wise for a H&S manager with added responsibilities and qualification to back it up will command £50+. For comparison of H&S qualification most especially NGC, with Chartered Quality Institute. See the level of knowledge require and length of time to be certified. http://www.thecqi.org/membership/e0-1.shtml/ CQI adverts and salary http://www.thecqi.org/jobs/

Posted By MikeP Most posts here claim that CMIOSH means the holder is competent and NGC holders should try to attain that level. How do you gain comptenece without gaining experience and the backing of an employer to gain gradIOSH & CMIOSH status. The NEBOSH Diploma is too costly for most to self fund. So NGC at any salary grade is better than nothing to start with.

Posted By Dave Wilson Claire good valid point as an EX EHO (H&S Enforcement) I did the NEBOSH Dip after I qualified (91) as I knew didly squat about 'hands on H&S' but law, management etc was really good. Inspectors don't need or require CMIOSH but ex inspectors probably do have it