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Posted By Philip Cook
After 3 months out of work the local fire service has given me an interview as there is a position in there safety team. My background is in manufacturing but i made sure that my application showed that i am a willing learner and able to adapt. Does any of you who work in the emergency services have any interview advice?? or any advice from anyone for that matter.
The interview consists of being given a topic on arrival and then giving a ten minute presentation on that topic followed by an interview based on the presentation.
Any advice or guidance is greatly appreciated.
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Posted By TBC
I would guess that the topic will be fire related. If this is the case and it's about presenting something to the public for example - keep it simple in order that 'Joe public' will grasp and enjoy it. If it is a more in depth topic aimed at Fire and/or H&S professionals then obviously more technical knowledge will be in order. Balance it to the target audience and be yourself.
In these jobs the pay is not great, but the rewards are.
Good Luck!
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Posted By Bob Youel
*dealing with the public
*work at heigh for the fire service when tacking certain work areas is different for the FS than others
* violence towards the FS when attending fires etc
Are some things to think of
Stick to the logical basics as against getting to conmplicated and understand what the role is before attending the interview as a generalist is not expected to be a fire expert & VV
Best of luck
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Posted By Catherine Ince
Please don't assume that the topic will be fire-related. It wasn't when I was interviewed for my current position.
They may be looking for you to have an idea of the issues faced by fire services, as well as deomnstrating that you have an awareness of wider H&S issues - sorry if this states the obvious, but I would hate for you to be blinkered in your approach to the interview.
The best of luck!
Catherine.
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Posted By Tanka-Ray
First of all, well done on getting an interview. The basics:
- If they have support materials for the presentation USE THEM. It will probably be a whiteboard or flipchart; they won’t expect you to be Steve Ballmer but will expect you to vary your format if you can.
- Check their website thoroughly for details of recent activities and have a run through Google for any local news or major incidents they have recently attended.
- Remember you will not just be looking after firefighters, there will be a lot of support staff too so demonstrate how you can adapt your skills to different working environments. Even the operational staff have a huge remit – shift work, driving, community events, traffic accidents, inspections etc as well as things like cooking and cleaning.
- Don’t use the word ‘Brigade’.
- Brush up on your Equalities and Diversity knowledge – not all Services are the same but it’s certainly a hot topic in many at the moment.
- Enjoy the interview and feel free to email me if you need anything.
Good luck
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Posted By Decimomal
Congratulations on your interview.
I had an interview with the Fire Service some time ago. My task was to deliver a presentation on something like the 'Recipe for Health and Safety'. This was followed by the interview proper with the personnel officer and a high ranking fire officer. Part of the role was to look after the safety of Trading Standards Officers for some reason.
The role was advertised with a salary band (I can't recall what now. Anyway, after them telling me how important it was to get the right calibre of candidate in post and stressing this many times I asked them what salary they were offering at which point they told me the lower end of the band. The interview effectively stopped at that point.
Best of luck.
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Posted By AMelrose
Firstly Congratulations on getting an interview!
Agree with others about not focusing on fire (though no doubt it will come up at some point in the conversation!!).
Most jobs offered with a salary band / range will expect the candidate offered the position to start at the bottom of that band and gradually work their way up. If you really believe you are worth more than what they offer initially, then argue your reasons for a higher salary point;
"my last salary was X and I'm unwilling to take a cut in salary as I have financial commitments" if it was higher for example. Or if you have any additional experience / qualifications then you could add "I have a masters in X and am able to provide your organisation with XXX, which other candidates you may interview probably won't have..." - worth a shot.
Working alongside HR, it's unlikely someone will be offered the highest point on the salary scale without you arguing why you deserve it!
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Posted By Chris Jerman
Try to get hold of a copy of Dynamic Management of Risk at Operational Incidents ISBN 0 11 341221 5
It's a very good insight into modern fire service thinking about, well, basically not rushing straight in.
They have a set of 3 escalating core-values about what is tolerable, remembering that they go into situations that a 'regular' employer would not be allowed to.
Quite handy to know how to use those.
Having worked extensively with both Fire and Police services, it can be tricky to get them to see the balance between what they do 'out there' and safety in say, the appliance room, or kitchen etc. They can tend to confuse 'health and safety' with public safety. So we used to talk about Operational Safety and Personal Safety.
Try telling a bomb disposal officer to mind the slippery floor!
Best of luck.
Chris
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Posted By RP
Look at the Association of Chief Fire Officers website.
Stick with the basics, Policy, Planning, Arrangements, Monitoring, Review, etc.
Do not mention fire poles...!!
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Posted By Jim T
The Fire Service is obsessed at present with Equal Opportunities and understanding Ethnic Diversity.
Also they are keen to involve themselves in the community more i.e. schools visits, information stalls in local shopping centres, installing smoke alarms for vulnerable members of the community etc etc.
I doubt that they will ask you much about fire!
Good luck
Jim
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Posted By Philip Cook
Thank you so much for your feedback. I'm happy with the pay scale and really want the job as i feel i could do some really good work in a positive environment.
Dynamic Management of Risk at Operational Incidents ISBN 0 11 341221 5 - could i get this from my local library??
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Posted By Chris Jerman
Phil sorry Mate, I have no idea. Last time I was in a library I was in short trousers. I got mine from the Fire Service when working for them. Can't scan it for you either as that would be naughty and we'd all have to go and see the Head.
Have you typed it into Gurgle?
CJ
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Posted By Philip Cook
No worries i've managed to get hold of one at the last minute. Hopefully it will give me the edge!!
Thanks again for all of your feedback help and support
Cheers
Phil
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Posted By Philip Cook
Unfortunately i didn't get the job.
Onwards and upwards!!
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Posted By Decimomal
Bad luck Philip. Keep positive and persevere and you will get there eventually. (Been there and got the T shirt!.
How do you feel the interview went, were there any major issues and did you get any feedback afterwards?
You may not want to share your experiences just now but if you do you might pick up some tips from colleagues here for the next time.
All the best,
Decimo.
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Posted By Philip Cook
Overall i feel the interview went well. I spent a lot fotime tailoirng my preparation to ensure i didn't waffle and to give clear and concise answers. The feedback i received was that i had come "second" and that i had lost out due to not giving enough detail in the questions regarding legislation which i felt i had given very clear and to point answers.
So thats it, on to the next one whenever that maybe!!
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Posted By Decimomal
All is not lost,
the first candidate may decide not to take the job after all and you could still be in with a chance.
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Posted By Philip Cook
Right so i've got a second interview with Royal Mail as a territory safety manager.
Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Phil
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Posted By Tanka-Ray
Sorry to hear about the first interview, always good to practice interview skills though.
May I ask, how did you find out about the Royal Mail job? I would LOVE to go back to them (ex-postie) but never see any H&S vacancies. Are you a Mason or am I just not looking properly?
Thanks
Oh and top issues for RM will be manual handling (when I was there something scary like 92% of posties over 50 had severe back problems), driving, personal safety, language and communication issues and agency workers.
Good luck!
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Posted By Philip Cook
Hi,
Thanks for the pointers. I applied through an employment agency, i have signed up to a fair few over the 3 months.
If i was a mason i very much doubt i'd be posting on this forum :)
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Posted By Philip Cook
Well aint that just the way. They've offered me the job on a 6 month trial - I am to say the least extremely happy (if a bit nervous) and looking forward to getting stuck in.
Thanks for all your pointers and also if anyone has any advice for starting in a new management role covering a pretty large geographical area then please feel free to impart your wisdom!!
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Posted By A Campbell
Philip,
I started in a position that covered east of england... then grew into 1/2 of england and was pretty taxing on travel and stays away from home a lot of the week.
You should look at your management structure and their responsibilities, then look at how you communicate and build relationships with them both individually and as a group.
Attend regional meetings regularly, look at training needs for them as they will be managing their area from day to day... it is an impossible task to go to every location at the drop of a hat!
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