Posted By Robert K Lewis George I've e-mailed you some thoughts. As a general comment this is an area relatively short of high quality training and I am interested to see what responses appear here. As you realise I have been through the system and it can be as a massive boost to empowerment or a switch off as pie in the sky. I believe strongly that managers must believe that they are able to do something before they will actually do it Bob

Posted By Robert K Lewis George As Ian states and my e-mails to you agree there is not huge amounts of expertise available except in the petro-chem industry but the elements of leadership are universal as are the the walkthrough methodologies and techniques. I would go with the diagonal slicing for training and you will need to train internal managers to train if the campaign and step change is to be successful Bob

Posted By Ethne D'Arcy George I am glad that you have been provided with our Course Provider list. IOSH cannot recommend individuals as this would be deemed as advertising or even favouritism. However all our course providers do have to fulfil certain criteria before they are awarded a licence and the course co-ordinators carry out validation visits to ensure standards are met. Ethne

Posted By Robert K Lewis One problem though Ian if I read George correctly he is not looking for risk assessment and risk management courses. He is I think looking to a complete cultural shift in organisational thinking with regards to Health and Safety. Thus my comment that such training is thin on the ground with regards to providers. It is a management and organisation philosophy that we are looking at. One in which all parties recognise their interdependency on each other. I am not meaning to be cynical or unkind but risk assessment providers are 10 a penny and can be found in every region. I personally feel that George is going to find that the move will need a total concerted effort and support from all main board directors before it will really begin to move and this is not easily achieved - I know of only 2 potential providers in this area at a personal level and would be most interested to see who else can be found. Bob

Posted By Robert K Lewis Having been audited by your people when working at a well known oil company redevelopment I have no doubts about your particular abilities to offer some of the necessary training!!! The real issues come in gaining whole hearted committment from all employees and directors. Bob

Posted By George Wedgwood I am heartened by all the responses to this thread and thank all those contributors - I could even succumb to a wee bit of advertising from one or two! I also have had a number of private email contacts and am alreadys setting up my first meeting. Risk assessment does come in to this in a way but it is really corporate risk management I am thinking of and the role H&S has to play in excellent governance and 'people care' standards. So most of the very good providers will be senior managers either practicing in a related H&S Business or retired from the mainstream industrial role and consulting. Everyone is right in a sense when they say you need the top commitment of the Board and senior managers but this is the hard bit as they think they can state strategy and then expect line managers to deliver under additional pressure! A definite culture shift has to be driven first, where managers realise that this (H&S) issue won't go away and it will become as accountable for as finance etc. so they will have to plan as effectively for it. That won't stop them being bitter in some cases and taking it out on their staff so the essence of care for staff has to be also suffused through the organisation, together with a 'no blame' culture, where failings are shared and lessons genuinely learned. You will have realised by now that my problem is a large one, where significant budget may be allocated to deal with the step change and that means I need providers that can find resources of a specific agreed standard to help deliver the programme. Our managers will then manage their own devised programmes after that and so on, creating genuine continual improvement. Anyway, I think I may be making a start and we should have a plan by September. Watch this space! Thanks again, George