Posted By Ken Lucas Ron One of my friends is involved in the manufacture and supply of such items and he isn't aware of any British Standard for such - however there may be a bog standard. Ken

Posted By martin knox Try contacting, ARMITAGE SHANKS & IDEAL STANDARD, main players in the bathroom/toilet accessory game I have have done a quick search,on BSI, nothing Iam afraid, Martin NB - some of those responses, were themselves, a tad [expletive deleted].

Posted By Jack So the concern is that these devices are unsafe? I wish I had time for problems like this.

Posted By Eric Burt Ian You haven't given too many details about the nature of your problem, but I take it that children in your schools are setting light to the toilet paper and you are concerned about school fires? It would be difficult to eliminate paper from toilets, although many schools have now installed hand driers instead of using paper towels to dry hands. There is no need for bins in toilets (except for female toilets where sanitary disposal is a requirement under the Workplace Regs 92) so once again you are reducing the amount of paper / sweet wrappers / crisp packets which could be set alight. I have seen one school where they had to introduce a key system for using the toilets as they were getting so much damage, but I would think that this would be very much used as a last resort. I have never seen a smoke detctor in a school toilet, but once again, this could serve as a deterrent, as would increasd supervision with the use of prefects (if they still have them??) Good luck Ian and I hope you manage to sort your problem Cheers, Eric

Posted By Ian Minty It is the holders and bins themselves which are highly flammable. One, with no paper in it, was set alight by a pupil and three floors of the building filled with acrid smoke. When we carried out tests on the newly supplied equipment it was discovered that the plastic caught fire in approx. 10 seconds and was highly flammable. That was why we were looking for the BS, to see if there was a standard, regarding flammability etc.

Posted By Jim Walker Ian, I guess the real problem is your education authority buyers are not aware of Ruskin’s famous saying, I quote: " There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only, are this man’s lawful prey " (John Ruskin, 1819 - 1900)

Posted By Ashley Williams Sorry fire contact is Phil Darby