Posted By Gavin Gibson I was unaware of a lifespan on the managing safely course. i would query the validity of this as the course is not a licensed course for equipment operation, eg crane training, but a course teaching safety management. Will we be seeing a validity on the NEBOSH dip courses next? I accept that there is an ongoing need to ensure that manmagement maintain a reasonable understanding of HSE, but is this just a means for your trainer to drum up more trade in the future?

Posted By Lee Bennett According to one of the advertisers in this months SHP, all Managing Safely courses are now given a 3 year expiry date as of this April. Regards. Lee.

Posted By peter gotch Alan This is an IOSH initiative - licensed providers of Managing Safely received a letter from IOSH in the first week of April. The logic is a refresher with materials which are not in the basic pack, so that it is not all old hat, eg material on violence to staff. My own view is that the need for CPD whoever the trainee has not been thought through (as I have discussed with eg Hazel Harvey) Quality providers will think about the needs of their client and adjust the MS to suit. Hence for example we already cover some of the new materials in the refresher pack in our training for eg prison staff. My thinking is that eg senior prison staff will gain far more CPD by sitting down to discuss common problems and think through way forward than by attending another course whose content may be largely "off the shelf". Peter

Posted By Stuart Burton A number of years ago I had all my senior managers put through the managing safely course. Recently I decided that it would be a good idea to give them an update and this time I decided to put them all through the two day working safely course as a refresher. Now I have been told that IOSH are bringing out their own three yearly refresher. A bit late for me but it is still a good idea. Regards ... Stu

Posted By Geoff Burt Where does it all end, is it not getting a bit ridiculous? Ouch, I might have to take the 11+ again. Well that might not be a bad thing, I might pass it this time! Geoff

Posted By Mark Betton Caroline How does this affect Supervising Safely? Mark

Posted By Nick Tracey It comes as no surprise to myself or my collegues that IOSH Services see the need to put expiry dates onto Man Safe Certs. No doubt new certs issued by IOSH will help the finances of IOSH. Personally I agree with others who question at what point and cost all of us will have to re -attend eductaion and training courses, due to time elapsing. As an accredited trainer using the IOSH materials with, additional materials to suit our clients, SPECIFICALLY the CDM Regs, I am interested in the following: what cost to my organisation the new materials will be, will we see a major improvement in the end test, (who is still using negative marking these days other than IOSH?) Who has developed the material, and how has it been validated. We have been delivering update trainng to our existing Man Safe clients now for over 24 months, presently none see the need for having IOSH refresher certs and the additional costs assocaited with it.