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Posted By Ian Stone
We have a gym used by students and staff, at this time of year we have few staff and no students in. Two members of staff (who have had induction training) want to use the gym at lunch times when there will be no supervision. Our security staff are unhappy as they are worried about insurance, equipment being stolen and what happens if something goes wrong. The gym is not in a busy area so if one staff member was on their own and something went wrong they probably wouldnt be found for a while. Our insurers are unhappy for then to use it unsupervised. What do you all think?
Ian
PS A risk assessment has beeen carried out and it wous found to be unacceptable due to the reasons given above
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Posted By Linda Westrupp
If your risk assessment says it is an unacceptable risk, then it is just that and unless you can find a supervisor/member of gym staff to attend during these hours it cannot be used.
Hope this helps
Linda
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Posted By Mike Bruce
Ian
I would suggest as you have already said, if can not arrange any suitable supervision / first aiders it should be closed during the school hols time unfortunatly.
regards
mike bruce
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Posted By Rod McGovern
Is it not simply a case of having a rule that no-one is allowed in the gym alone?
And/or providing an emergency phone. Controlling entrance by issuing keys and recording who is in the gym at a particular time would be a way of reducing the likelyhood of theft. We should be doing everything to encourage gym use - not closing it when staff presumably have more time to use it. Good luck in finding an acceptable solution.
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Posted By Ken Taylor
We operate one of our gyms along the lines described by Rod.
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Posted By johnwaterson
I think as Rod has said would be more than acceptable. I use a local gym and at times there are no instructors present, doesn't seem to be a problem. When I was in the forces there were times when there were no qualified instructors around, people screwded the nut. Did not use heavy weights in case they had an injury, all down to common sense. Hope you find a solution where the head shed let you train.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Agree that this is the most sensible route to take but does it need a RA.
A bit off the beaten track again, why do we still 'do a risk assessment!' as the answer to all problems and then you are stuck in the trap of not doing anything else apart from what you said on the RA.
What happened to 'reasonably practicable' and 'substatial risk to health'
This is a real bug bear for me as I have said in the past. Some trained responsible adults want to use the gym in their lunch hour, problem? yeh just dont touch the bucket of Chromate or interfere with the sudents nuclear reactor in the corner!
ITs no wonder we as a profession are the biggest red tape bureacratic numpties in industry and never taken seriously.
Could this not be to do with the security issue who are trying to use the 'safety' card to stop the security dept doing something they dont want to do. eg security at lunch time!!
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Posted By Danny Swygart
Rod seems to have the common sense solution.
This system is used at a lot of Hotel gyms / swimming pools at which i have stayed.
Danny.
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Posted By Steve Sedgwick
Dave it bugs me a great deal as well when people us the HS card to get something implemented that is not really the key issue.
As you state the motive behind this is really security, and if there is a serious security issue then management should impliment the rule and explain their reasons for doing so, honestly.
regards
Steve
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