Posted By Andy Furness Hi Dave, not aware of any such study in relation to dynamic risk assessments I am afraid. Those officers coming through my H&S training courses at the FSC and other training courses that we/i run for Fire services, have not indicated any awaremenss of such issues or indeed studies. The majority of Brigade officers that I speak to are more concious of the ridiculous messages that must be sent to control to record the ongoing situation vis a vis the risks on the incident ground. Which until the HSE overbearingly insisted on a risk assessment recording mechanism , was dealt with by informative or make-up or stop messages. Of course training in dynamic risk assessment is critical for all firefighters and officers alike and any steps that reduce firefighter risk must be seen as essential - best bet are qualitative surveys unless you use the Finds message system to get a selection of Brigades onboard for a quantitive study Will however continue to enquire whilst I am conducting training and any info I gather I will pass on to you regards Andy

Posted By Dave Pike Gents, Many thanks for your replies and I will certainly pose the question on other sites such as FireNet. I suppose my next question is where I can find detailed accident stats for the UK brigades that cover the time leading up to and beyond the implementation of formal dynamic fire risk assessment? I fully accept the reasoning that an experienced OiC will have the requisite tools for maintaining a safe fireground for both emergency personnel (multi-agency) and members of the public, which is why I'm looking for some quantitative data. I am carrying out some academic research as part of a post graduate degree course and as a full-time H&S manager I have an active interest in the outcome of the implementation of regulatory requirements. To further muddy the water perhaps Andy could comment on the variables (if any)on the quality /quantity of training delivered to wholetime and retained operational staff? Again, I'm looking for evidence that the acquisition (or lack of) training in dynamic fire risk assessment has impacted upon fireground safety. Once again, many thanks for your input and help with my studies. Dave

Posted By Dave Pike Hi Roj, Thanks for your advice on the information supplied to HMI by the various brigades, this will surely prove very useful in a comparison between qualitative and quantitative data. I'm also very interested in the anecdotal evidence as part of my qualitative study and appraisal and I'm hoping that the FireNet site will assist with that element of my research. Many thanks Dave