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#1 Posted : 03 August 2004 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Corrina Evans
Hi Guys,
Just a thought, with all the emphasis on stress these days-what is the percentage of H & S practitioners who suffer from stress ? I am quite sure that I am not the only one who suffers from the banging your head against a brick wall syndrome !!I know I speak english, I speak clearly and when I need to loudly, so the problem is that the people I deal with are just not listening!I have an idea, we should set up a self help group for those of us that are stressed and in need of a group hug! What do you think ?
Corrina ( just about got some hair left ) Evans
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#2 Posted : 03 August 2004 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd
Hi Corrina,

I get very stressed on occasion, but my stress is usually caused by other people. I was unimpressed when I had my blood pressure taken the other day in work - 115/90. Usually it is about 115/70. Doc said it was still normal although a bit unusual to have low first figure/high second figure, but probably to do with work.

When he took it I was feeling quite calm as it was first thing and I hadn't had a chance to get stressed. I wonder what it might have been on a stressful day...

The doc said I would be amazed if I could see:

a) how frighteningly high some people's blood pressure is in work;
b) how normal most of those people's becomes when they are in a non-work situation.

I do find having a good whinge helps though, and often on hindsight some of the things that happen are very funny indeed or just totally ridiculous. However, you've got to be careful who you whinge to as you don't want people saying you've got PMS - Poor Me Syndrome!

Yours, going grey,
Karen
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#3 Posted : 03 August 2004 10:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Corrina Evans
Hi Karen,
Have the same problem with my blood pressure readings-ironic since I spend most my time in surgeries! I agree, it is other people who are the problem. One member of staff within my organisation thinks H & S is looking after buildings! ( help )
Corrina
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#4 Posted : 03 August 2004 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Corrina

..... if you think you've got problems now, wait till the HSE publish their 'Management Standards' on occupational stress.

As an occupational psychologist (as well as a RSP, registered ergonomist, qualified counsellor and HR practitioner), I've been working on the boundaries of occupational stress for 20 years, in roles of consultant, trainer, counsellor, coach, writer and expert witness.

May I venture to hope that, as well as hugs, you take initiatives to promote accurate understanding of sources of stress and how they can be controlled. In so far as 'other people' may be the sources of occupational stress, discrimination law is gradually making some headway as a deterent for some sources of stress. But there's an enomous need for constructive, informed dialogue in which the OSH profession would do well to take a lead.
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#5 Posted : 03 August 2004 13:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Amen to the self help group 'SPA', I am not a whinger, but here are my biggest stressors, does anyone else suffer from these:

1. Directors who choke at the idea of spending resources, even when you can prove it will save money.
2. Senior Managers who vomit at the suggestion of taking people away from their day job to train them - 'cant we put something on the intranet'.
3. Managers who balk at the suggestion that H&S is anything to do with them - 'but wouldnt it be good if we could have some training?'
4. The 'no-bad-news' culture - you are not allowed to tell anybody when its gone wrong, they might be upset...
5. Being told its my fault that its gone wrong.
6. The instruction not to tell the new chief anything bad, let them settle in first.....its now been 18 months.

Apart from that I love H&S.

Jez (soon to be self-employed) Corfield
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#6 Posted : 03 August 2004 23:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Giles Davis
Jez,

What you are describing I think, happens to us all. I'm both a Director and responsible for our company's H&S policy etc. and I can sympathise with most of what you say and find myself getting regularly stressed.

When our company started out to obtain ‘Investors in People’ I was the designated company ‘mentor’ who attended all the workshops etc. It was amazing and also reassuring to discover that most companies in our work group were suffering the same problems and I think that as development of employee / employer ‘mind set’ is critical to attaining both ‘Investors in People’ and a positive H&S culture, this helped me come to terms with the pace of influencing minds and behaviour which in turn has made my work less stressful.

I would also agree with some of the other posts above in that ‘getting things off your chest’ by talking to work colleagues and having a good moan about things can help dramatically. Things never seem so bad once you’ve told someone else.

Regards

Giles
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#7 Posted : 04 August 2004 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Thanks Giles,

It is most unlike me to rant, but it felt good! I never had any of these problems before, and I always felt that people who couldnt get their point across were at fault. But now I have seen these things for myself, I know that sometimes it IS the company at fault, and its the safety practitioner who suffers.

Cheers

Jez
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#8 Posted : 04 August 2004 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Have I missed something here?

Isn’t stress a factor of the higher order living beings including mankind?

It is my understanding our formative years are governed by the nurturing environment in which we set our aspirations for our future life.

I may be as thick as a ‘mallee bull’ but stress is, and has been and will be until we reach the utopian future, a part of our senses as high order being.

My practice encompasses a number of areas from expert witness to incident investigator.

All occupations generate a degree of stress including OHS professionals, particularly working in a hazardous environment and each of us must learn to deal with the stress generated by oneself and that generated by others.

To mitigate risk is an option open to all individuals faced with pressure of one sort or another.

A Buddhist teaching in respect of stress is simply, “when the load gets to heavy put it down and walk on”. Often this is good advice or put another way, “if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen”.


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#9 Posted : 04 August 2004 13:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Lucas
Well Corrina, I bet having read Richard's response above you've probably lost the rest of your hair.
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#10 Posted : 04 August 2004 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Corrina Evans
Ken,
You have a point, however I realise Richard is not aware of the facts that prompted me to put up the posting. I am sure had he been involved with the particular situation that I had to deal with, he may have had a different point of view.Anyway as is often stated on this forum, we all have varying opinions and perhaps he would be uncomfortable with a group hug ! Thanks to the people that contacted me direct-what a nice bunch you are !
Corrina
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#11 Posted : 04 August 2004 17:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Richard,

I think you are missing something, firstly you appear to miss the point about stress at work, in that employers have also got responsibilities, secondly I dont see relevance of the 'higher order' gubbins you mention.

Put simply, Corrina suggested a (tongue in cheek) self-help group for safety people who sometimes have a hard time of it. I am happy to say that this is me sometimes. I am not actually stressed, but sometimes (being in a team of 1) its nice to talk to others about these things.

It also happens that some of the things I mention are serious obstacles to maintaining and improving standards of occupational safety.

As for being able to get 'out of the kitchen' - I would love to lay on a beach contemplating my belly button, but I (like many others) have a mortgage to pay.

Jez Corfield
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#12 Posted : 05 August 2004 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Corrina Evans
Hi Jez,
I'm glad to see you get my sense of humour ! This is a very important and satisfying job we do-but most of us do have bad days and recognising that and having someone to talk to, who understands, is what keeps us sane and our sense of humour intact !
Regards Corrina
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#13 Posted : 05 August 2004 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad
I do think some people are more prone to stress than others, and if we honestly admit it, how often are we ourselves actually either the cause of the stress or at least to blame for the stressfull situation. I do get stressed from time to time, and yes, it does affect my blood pressure. But then again, so do many other things outside of work.
My way to cope with these stressfull situations is to simply ask myself if I can do anything to change the situation. If I can, I do it, if I can't I accept it and move on. A Phylosophy that I think comes from AA.
Apart from this, three rounds with a punch bag normally does the trick to get rid of any residual stress.
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#14 Posted : 05 August 2004 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alec Wood
I think as we engage more fully in the management of stress, one of our biggest problems will become people who subscribe to the philosophy espoused by Richard above and just spout the "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" idea as their way of trying to pin the blame for the stress on the sufferer.

We must remember stress is covered by a very broad range of causes, and the degree it affects individuals has as much to do with that individuals physcology as anything else.

In my previous role within this company, it was not uncommon to end up chest to chest with someone screaming expletives at each other, a hair's breadth from physical violence - a line which was crossed more than once by many people. The scene was repeated throughout the business. Why it was tolerated by anyone is one of life's mysteries, but maybe it had a lot to do with endemic high unemployment in the area. Stress at that level exists in many workplaces, and my supervisor's "if you cant......" attitude just didn't help. Many people left, I didn't, but it definately affected my health and home life severely.

Over time, things changed here, the machoism became less, and the tolerance for such behaviour evaporated. We got rid of the bullies and sorted ourselves out - I wonder how many others have yet to do so.

I now consider my work life, with all the same problems as those mentioned above, to be stress-free. My blood pressure meter tells me that's not the case, but all things are relative.

Let's consider stress as we do other hazards, and seek to mitigate and control it rather than eliminate it, but let's not make the mistake of assuming all employees are masters of their own destiny, or can do anything whatsoever to reduce the degree of stress they are subjected to in the workplace

Alec Wood
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#15 Posted : 05 August 2004 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott
Corrina - I'm with you - group hug sounds good to me. Yeah yeah, a certain amount of stress is good for you - keeps you on your toes - but what frustration we suffer sometimes when others can't (or won't) see the problems of carrying out their work in a way that is bound to adversely affect SOMEONES health, safety or welfare. It's good to share our problems with others of a like background - Go for it! - have a moan - gripe all you like - it makes for good reading anyway and we have ALL been there to a greater or lesser degree. Hugs.
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#16 Posted : 05 August 2004 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster
Of course, Richard, it helps when you can just head for the surf at the (early) end of a stressfull week, throw a few shrimps on the barbie and unpack a few tinnies.

Now THAT'S the sort of philosophy I could go for, Bhuddist or otherwise.
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#17 Posted : 05 August 2004 17:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven
Bill

A "certain amount of stress" is NOT good for you! No amount of stress can be considered to be good for you. What is good for us is a certain amount of pressure, which may act as a stimulant and provide us with a positive challenge.

Mike
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#18 Posted : 06 August 2004 01:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Some important points as health and safety professionals (emphasis on professionals):

1. We are advisors in health and safety,
2. Some are employees some are consultants
3. We in most cases are not the Employer (unless self employed but still in advising capacity)
4. This role is for balance mentally strong people
5. The role is not as it used to be, the dumping ground for emotionally burnt out employees
6. You are paid to provide advice.
7. Whether the Boss chooses to use your advice or not is, in the main is irrelevant.
8. As long as you can provide evidence that it was given then in the event an incident occurs with nasty connotations, you are not indited or found liable for ‘acts or omissions’.

As has been said, find the wisdom to accept those things that you have control over that those that you don’t. If this is not an accepted part of your working philosophy then there is a high probability that you will become stressed.
I have not yet met any OHS professional that considers this job a calling; it is for most a preferred occupation.
Even those that entered the calling such as nurses and medical practitioners must learn how to deal with death and injury on a daily basis. Thank goodness they have enough professionalism to be able to handle the stress of treating mangled bodies or having to tell grieving relatives that their loved one is dead. Are we any different in the work we do?
Give me a break people, hugs and kisses are all very well but ‘get into the real world’.
We are like anybody else vulnerable and human, but it is how we keep our heads in the face of adversity and interrelate with our fellow employees who are at the coalface is how we are judged as individuals and as a group within the working community.
The distinction has been made between stress and pressure, well I frankly agree. I recently worked as the principal consultant and principal auditor for a large government agency with a staff of 4,500 in 15 business units.
I worked 7 days a week for 50-60 hours a week, generating strategy and planning change at a corporate level. I did this for 16 months. The pressure to meet deadlines and produce documentation, and training course development did cause me stress, which caused my blood pressure to go up, to the extent that my nose bled and I burst a blood vessel in my eye.
But I did have a choice to keep going or step out of it. I chose to keep going because I knew that the energy to effect change would be substantial and it would be necessary. I took the gamble with my health yes, but it was my choice.
I learnt from this not to enter into large undertakings that require the same amount of energy and therefore I have mitigated my own risk.
Following the contract I did relax by heading to Europe for a 2 month holiday in Italy and France and this was the best reward, first class air travel and I hired a Mercedes Benz for the 8 weeks and stayed in 4 star hotels.
I made this sacrifice for lots of reasons the primary one was to pay off the mortgage, and stack funds into the consultancy and to by myself a present a, Mercedes Benz Class 200 Kompressor.
The one thing I will never do as an OHS Consultant is to flounce around like a big Sheila crying about how stressed I am. This is negative, and the individual needs to learn how to deal with stressful issues, because life is full of them.
John, as far as relaxing yes, mate your right I do throw a king prawn on the Barbie, and crack a nice bottle of Aussie Chardonnay, sit out under the trees and relax in the tranquil surrounding of the Aussie bush. The other means of relaxing is to head for the sea and I find my relaxation scuba diving with my dive buddy (my wife) in a little holiday resort 200 klms north of Sydney. Once underwater no thoughts occur accept the beauty of nature which we must all preserve.

I have found a way, therefore, I urge all you Huggers to go do the same.

Richard
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#19 Posted : 06 August 2004 07:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
What a fun thread !

I think pressure is part of any job worth doing - letting it turn into stress is the mistake we make that harms us. I was on the start-up team building a new plant and getting it running. And I was the fourth hse manager in six months. One of my predecessors decided not to accept that much pressure and left the company. The two others tried to take it and both cracked, one after two weeks. They never went back into safety.

I think it was my wife putting her foot down who kept me sane "stay as long as you like at the plant but never bring your work home" that way the job and the pressure stopped at the plant exit. (occasional 3am call-ins were considered acceptable.

When I started as a consultant I was told that "burn-out" would arrive after about 8 years. It's 15 years now and still fascinating.

Right now with the summer holiday season no-one needs a safety consultant so I have two months (unpaid) holiday, a hammock slung in the back garden and a nice bottle of rosé in the fridge.

And a nice hug now and then helps a lot
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#20 Posted : 06 August 2004 10:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil Pearson
A good hug definitely helps, but our team isn't quite that touchy-feely, I have to get hugs outside work!
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#21 Posted : 06 August 2004 11:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J.
Hi all, not sure you can actually do a tongue in cheek on here. People do take it very serious. Some of the comments have me saying (in my best Scots accent) WHITT???

On a more informative note my daughter completed an Hon’s degree in risk management. as her dissertation in her final year she completed a paper (15000 words) on the effects of stress on H&S officers/professionals. This included interviews with around 20 H&S officers. Her conclusion .. there was no high incidence of stress amongst H&S staff in fact it was in the low to negligible scale. oh the sting in the tail. Those interviewed worked exclusively in local authorities!!! is there a moral here?

PS she graduated last year... into H&S no way..she works for a financial institution!!!!!!!
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#22 Posted : 06 August 2004 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Richard

You appear to be taking this waaaay too seriously, you encourage us to find a way to deal with it, perhaps venting our spleen on this forum about some of the things that annoy us at work IS our way of dealing with it.

Nobody here is claiming that they are suffering with stress or are ill, after all, H&S is just another job. Its just that some things make our job difficult to deal with....and guess what? Wouldnt it be great if we could get this off our chest - it is this communication with others that helps some people deal with it.

In fact the only person on this forum who appears to have been ill through stress at work is you, and then you almost appear to try and justify it. I would argue that someone in this position is hardly able to advise us 'Sheila's' how to deal with pressure at work.

By your own admission you have made yourself ill through overwork/excessive pressure, and almost wear this as a badge of pride. Is it me? or is this NOT the way to set an example of a getting a good and healthy balance?

Cheers

Jez
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#23 Posted : 06 August 2004 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
As a member of two other chartered professional societies, (CIPD and BPS), as well as the IOSH, I am amazed almost daily at how supportive (most of) the contributions to this Forum is.

Whatever adds to that is worth prizing.

It is also important to be aware that it is much easier to choke fellowship than to nourish it. This is especially the case in a virtual forum where we may never meet in person.
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#24 Posted : 06 August 2004 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
And Richard, you made these comments....

"Whether the Boss chooses to use your advice or not is, in the main is irrelevant."

Really?....it is very relevant to most of us that the boss does take our advice, this has a direct and proportional effect on the safety and health of staff, profits, efficiency and the risk profile of the organisation. And again it might just be me, but to some people could these be vaguely important concepts?

Jez
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#25 Posted : 06 August 2004 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd
I have another suggestion:

Chocolate

Mmm, yummy.

There was an article on the news a few months ago where police officers somewhere in the UK (can't remember where), were giving out chocolate bars to late night revellers. I think there were a number of lines of thought:

1) Free enjoyable pressies from the police makes people think, "The police are jolly nice, aren't they?" so a positive PR exercise.
2) Eating a chocolate bar will go a little way to curbing the late night munchies, so maybe less fighting in the chip shop queues.
3) Chocolate makes the body produce endorphins - so the drunken revellers get a nice warm inner glow, therefore again less likely to fight.

Karen
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#26 Posted : 06 August 2004 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Byatt
An outstanding suggestion Karen,

we have a well-stocked chocolate cupboard in the office and the regular consumption of the contents certainly calms people down a bit.

However, stress levels do rise when;

a) someones eaten all the double deckers and just left the cadbury fruit and nut and;
b) the lot goes and we have to decide/argue what to fill it up with again.

and before anyone mentions it, no I haven't researched the health implication sof providing employees with unhealthy food. They pay for it after all....

James
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#27 Posted : 06 August 2004 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Chocolate is the answer, this is also an effective means of dealing with the problems encountered in the 'bringing small children to the office' thread below.

Jez

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#28 Posted : 06 August 2004 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd
We've got a tea/coffee drawer in my office and when we initially stocked it up, we got all sorts of other drinkable goodies including cappucinos, drinking chocolate (very important) and a selection of herbal teas etc.

However, the herbal teas don't taste so good so no-one really drinks them and the box is languishing in the drawer but it does contain camomile tea, so we have this running joke about when we get stressed we'll have to have some camomile tea.

Also, if anyone who comes into the office appears stressed or starts to have a wee whinge we offer them a cup of camomile tea. Usually they think it is a windup, but when we show them we really have some it usually produces a smile - the best medicine.

Karen
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#29 Posted : 08 August 2004 02:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer
From the commentary of some it would appear there is a divergence of views and hence the perceptions that the individual may have.

Certainly the views expressed do reveal where in the pecking order some are and as a consequence express views that are as a result of being made the ‘Victim’.

I suggest that to mitigate stress they must realise that the onus to change behaviour or systems safety is not their ‘cross to bear’.

As I said, in the main we are advisors and all that entails. We must remain objective in analysis and implementation or change of systems.

Those that let there emotions rule their head are in danger of burn out.

I sense from the contributions and notes to my commentary, a group that have entered this profession believing that armed with feminine guile, a Salvationist attitude, resplendent with motherhood statements that they can with impunity apply the role of OHS professional. In my view this is an erroneous and generalist perception of this profession.

I do agree however, ‘the Florence Nightingale’ types are necessary if you are a return to work coordinator or specialise in injury management. This philosophy would be appropriate in this case as it deals with a more palliative care requirement and in the main is dominated by women who come from the nursing professional and do a really good job in most cases.

People who enter this reactive role deal in the main with OHS systems failures and getting sick or injured people back to work and managing the injury conditions is indeed an area of OHS that is extremely important and I admit no expertise in this area.

This is where the use of ‘chocolate’ and ‘tea’ would be a useful prophylactic.

I feel empathetic for those that are stressed and have said so but realistically they might need to consider their aptitude in dealing with the preventive form of safety management and opt for more caring/nurturing role of Injury Management.

Richard
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#30 Posted : 09 August 2004 06:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Wallington
Is this stress management for yourself Corrina? I see you have had a great deal of response.Which means on the whole that the OSH mob are caring in nature. awwwwwwww

A nice long holiday in Australia would solve stress.

I think we all get to the stage of banging the head on the desk in frustration. Some stress is good for you though.

I dont think head banging on the desk is good for you.

I reserve the right to choke the living hell out those who dont know where that magical stress level indicator line is drawn in my sand pit.

Not to be taken literally, I can see all the anti violent ones out there ready to picket my door.

I always find humour helps at times like these. Are we allowed to post jokes even at our own expense?

Dave
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#31 Posted : 09 August 2004 09:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Richard,

Any good generalist H&S practitioner needs to be able to support and counsel people, likewise they also need to be stubborn as a mule and hard as nails on occasion, it depends on what type of cat you are trying to skin on a given day....

You appear to have some stereotypical views about status, sex and role etc. All I can presume is that Australia and NZ, or the bits you have experience of, lag behind the UK in their approach to occupational H&S.

To adopt the general approach that people who have a communicative or supportive approach, (and your views are based on what you see only in this forum), are feminine and should be in nursing or rehabilitation is clearly ridiculous, and if it wasnt so funny, would be bordering on the offensive.

People in this forum are not ill with stress, they merely wish to use this forum to vent their spleen's, it is our god given right to be Whinging Pom's....

Cheers

Jez
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#32 Posted : 09 August 2004 10:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Corrina Evans
Well said Jez.
David, I do actually have my own methods of managing stress, and on the whole it works very well thanks. I am actually coming to Australia for three weeks at Christmas, so look forward to the theraputic ambiance !
Karen,
Do you think Richard meant us-surely not!
It's been very interesting getting the different preceptions from this forum-didn't realise this one was going to run like this !
Ah well back to my choccie bar!
Corrina
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#33 Posted : 09 August 2004 10:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Well what can one say further?

May democracy rain in perpetuity and protect right of the whingeing female Pom to have the last word. Although I have a strong suspicion I will not.

Remaining objective does not mean being without feelings or holding stress in. What it means is that you are able to discharge your important role in a professional and unbiased manner, without joining those you are attempting to assist.

Isn’t that why calling ourselves professionals is central to this thread, or is it the case there are professionals and professionals.

Corinna, where in Australia are you going spending Chrissie?

Richard

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#34 Posted : 09 August 2004 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Corrina Evans
Richard,
I shall be in Sydney for new years eve and a week in Melbourne, wanted to do Perth this time, couldn't quite fit it in-perhaps on my next visit. ( this is my third since 2000 )
Was suprised at the tone of your last post, you nearly sound like a laid back aussie !
Look forward to hearing further thoughts from you.
Corrina
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#35 Posted : 09 August 2004 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
I would suggest that stereotyping and assumptions are two of the biggest problems H&S professionals face. To bear this out, here are a few true examples drawn from personal experience:

"We don't have any accidents here" - quoted by a headteacher

"It's okay to leave the chemical store unlocked because the children know they're not allowed in there" - from a head of science

"how was I supposed to know that carrying gas cylinders in my car could be dangerous?" - a departmental manager

And my personal favourite, uttered at a safety conference where I was the only female attendee: "are you his secretary?"

Needless to say I put them all right with a smile, bucketloads of charm and some detailed guidance (particularly in the last example, where it was expressed particularly briskly).
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#36 Posted : 09 August 2004 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Donna Phillips
I agree H&S can be a lonely existence and very frustrating as we are often relying on others.

I have only recently registered but reading yours and Jez's postings have brightened up my day. Hang in there!!


Donna Phillips
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#37 Posted : 10 August 2004 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Corinna

Contrary to public opinion I am 100% human, if at times a little outspoken, which is an Aussie trait.

The threads I contribute tend to get well used particularly if there is a point to be made and generally I get a few supporters but in the main I cross swords with most about issues that I fundamentally engage and attempt, some times in vain to encourage reasoned debate.

When I first contributed to this chat page 2 years or so ago, I was attacked mercilessly for having the impudence to question the values and wisdom of the ‘Canaanites’ of the IOSH. I am open to any debate but I refused to lay down the sword of literal rectitude when faced with the incongruous rhetoric, of said Canaanites, who having more moves that a Swiss watch attacked like a pack of pit bull terriers. But, fortitude and perseverance prevailed and with the thrust and parry of brilliant repartee put paid to all littoral swordsman and swordswomen.

It’s been fun and continues to be so, I have noted that the threads that seem to go on forever are the ones in the main where we manage to get into good stoush.

As Zorba once said, “To be alive, is to take off your belt and look for trouble” (in a heavy Greek accent of course, on the beach just before launching into a dance).

You will be pleased to know I have a great sense of humour and really enjoy the provocative nature of human dialog. I know this is strange, but hey, don’t loose your sense of humour.

Richard
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#38 Posted : 10 August 2004 10:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer
If your a Stargate fan you might recall, Col Jack O'neil when he was aked if he was up tight replied, " hey, I'm loose".

Get's lost in translation I know but I just thought it was a brilliant one liner.

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#39 Posted : 10 August 2004 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster
And when another bucketload of the proverbial is heading for the fan, I can recall the immortal lines from "Zulu".

"Why us, Sarge, why us?"

"Because were 'ere, lad. There's no-one else"
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#40 Posted : 10 August 2004 18:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simone Granger
Streuth Richie the Poms'll think everyone from Oz is a windbag. We do have a Plain English at Work Campaign. Might be worth taking a look.

But I did like the idea of that swiss watch which attacked like a pack of pit bulls!
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