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Posted By Richard
I have always said that stress should not be managed, but eliminated; it's the stressors, who are usually human, who should be managed.
Incidentally, the term does tend to be overused. Unless, like me, you have burst into tears and contemplated (seriously) suicide because you cannot get the top off a jar of marmalade you have no idea just how serious a problem stress can become.
Luckily I had an understanding GP, unlike my line manager who rang me at home during my recovery, to find out when I was coming back to work.
Richard
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Posted By Sean Fraser
Fats,
In response to your question relating to your grandfather, which can only be a generalisation since you don't identify what he did for a living or socially, society itself has changed. In ye olden days, knowledge was something gleaned from books or newspapers. Most people did not have the opportunity to travel abroad (unless it was with the rest of their regiment!) and the wireless was the main source of in-house entertainment. Housekeeping was a fulltime occupation (not that it isn't now) and much of the work was with rudimentary tools comapred to the wonderful gadgets we have nowadays. Indeed, now we have a plethora of gadgets for the home and hobbies, information supplied to us via 24-hour television and the Internet, in fact 24-hour shopping for that matter. Information is fired at us so fast that our ability to retain it is like holding a teacup in fornt of a fire hose. We travel at home and abroad, we are forced to put our children into care while we have to work to pay for all the consumerist items society (aka advertisers) tell us we MUST have.
Times have changed. But even so, people DID have stress in the past, this is not a new phenomenon. But the care provided to them was minimal and frankly destructive, much as it was for those with general metnal illnesses or who did not conform to society norms due to sexual preference, colour or capability. As has been mentioned, often the despair caused by such alienation led to the final solution - problem solved for everyone I suppose.
Yes indeed . . . what wonderful days they were.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
Richard
I don't think the terrorist threat will phase many of us over here. Most of us have lived with terrorism threats for most of our lives. I grew up in London in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's - the IRA was a very real terrorism threat then and has only abated over the last 10 ish years or so. Therefore, all of my informative years and some of my non informative years were continued under a constant terrorism threat.
Within a couple of years of moving to Eastbourne our local MP Ian Gow was blown up by a car bomb not five miles from where I live. My husband was at Victoria Station when the bomb went off there - I was 10 yards from becoming a widow. Before I moved to Eastbourne I lived and worked in Ealing - the shop where I had my ears pierced was blown up by terrorists.
Unlike some of the countries currently under terrorism threat, this is nothing new to us, we continue our daily lives because we have no option. They will either get you, or they won't but there's not an awful lot we, as individuals, can do about it.
As for the stress factor - it really depends on the person. My husband was walking from the Sussex concourse at Victoria Station with a friend to the Kent concourse when the bomb went off. They both hit the deck. When they looked up there were people bleeding, dying and dead. They helped where they could and then went to work. They were both taken home by colleagues and offered counselling. My husband rejected the counselling, got up the next morning and went back to work, travelling the same route from Eastbourne to Victoria, walking the same steps as he continued to do for another 8 years or so. The colleague with him had a breakdown and couldn't work again. Two people, same job, same journey, same experience but different genetic make up - one got seriously stressed, the other regarded it as a lucky escape.
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Hillary
Quite an incredible account. In all truth I wish it were not so.
Britain was and remains a great democratic country. The Irish problem has been with you for centuries and one that appears a constant, never knowing when it might flare.
The irony now is that Britain opened its doors to many of the Moslem faith which is juxtaposed in its basic belief to the Judeo-Christian ethos. Just look at how they behave toward the gender that gave them nurture and comfort.
They, the people of Islamic belief, fled to Britain because they were either persecuted in their own land or because they wanted a better life, in a society, hundreds of years in the making and what is now held to be a social state.
The pity of it is, that many of the first generation Moslems, having had the benefit of being protected in the bosom of mother England, and British citizens, now see their cultural and political values aligned with the very same Islamic societies from whence they came.
We in Australia also have small Islamic societies, our own problems are on a much smaller scale, but anti-social behaviour is not tolerated here. The land of surf, sand, sun and ‘a fair go’ deals out swift justice to those that would spoil our society.
Last year a gang of Moslem youths attacked and gang raped two school girls. It was reported that the gang of Moslem youths abused the girls calling them among other things white sluts etc etc… The crime was so abhorrent to our society that the ring leader received a jail sentence of 55 years and the accomplices 35 years jail each.
This took the wind out of the Moslem youth and their closed society closed ranks.
In general in Australia, Moslems live in a separate society to the rest of us.
I therefore do not understand why a culture who abhors what our society hold sacred still chooses to live in our midst.
I have to say that I do not know how this particular culture has in anyway enriched the purely the society of Australia or Britain.
It was on the news recently that in France there are 6 million Moslems, many who live in ghettoes and are shunned by French society and therefore turn to drugs and crime. This has now become an anti-Semitic pressure group.
Surely, isn’t this just the thin edge of the wedge, when we in the west are called on time and time again to aid many Moslem societies, who frankly hate our guts.
I found your account greatly concerning and British society should realise that society is degraded by the addition of this minority and is in my opinion invited a menace to reside within.
It might be time to reassess.
Richard
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Posted By Sean Fraser
Richard,
I don't think this forum is the place for such political discourse. The post from Hilary was not about the politics of the situation, but about how a single traumatic event could fundamentally affect one person catastrophically and not another.
Please don't bring your views on immigration or cultural diversity into it unless you have a specific point to make regarding health and safety or stress management.
And no, fear of other cultures and viewpoints is not a legitimate safety concern.
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Posted By Heather Aston
I agree with Hilary. Despite the way in which the terrorist threat is presented in the media, it is not a major stressor for most people in this country.
They are for more likely to be concerned about money worries, their children, their health, the pressure experienced in their job and problems with relationships.
All these contibute far more towards the feel of "stress" than those issues which are a degree removed from most of us and are something we only see on the News.
Heather
"men have only two faults - everything they say and everything they do"
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Posted By fats van den raad
I can only agree with the previous postings. I don't think the threat of terrorism has that much of an affect on society. From my own experience in South Africa during the 70's and 80's, people tend to carry on with their everyday lives despite the constant threats. One may come across some new security measure, raise an eyebrow, mumble something like "that's a new one" and then swiftly carry on. My wife was involved in one of the bomb explosions at Johannesburg Bus station. her bus had just left the bus station when the bomb exploded in the dustbin where it was hidden. The next day it was back on the bus to work as usual, for her and for the vast majority of regulars that travelled with her.
You get used to opening you bag for inspection when entering a supermarket or shopping mall. You get used to being frisked by a metal detector when entering a cinema. No big deal.
People are far more likely to get stressed by the things that are more under their control, but may be in danger of going off the rails, such as not meeting a deadline, overspending, kids getting into trouble etc.
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Posted By John Webster
Richard
I am sure I am not alone in finding some of your comments racist, and as such they have no place on this forum.
I expect there will be a number of Moslems amongst the readership of this thread, and whilst it is not for me to comment as to whether or not they might be offended by your sweeping, bigoted views of their belief, the absence of any direct response might, hopefully, suggest that they are treating your diatribe with the contempt it deserves.
Within most religions and societies there are extremists who will use their distorted view of that religion as a rallying call for others to follow their warped agenda. Remember that white so-called Christians have been responsible for some of the most appalling atrocities.
On the evidence of other postings you are clearly an able H&S Professional, with much to contribute. But you also seem to have a skin thicker than elephant hide and enjoy scoring points off others with a kind of smug superiority that never backs down (I am reminded of the knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail who continues to spoil for a fight with all his limbs sliced off ).
Time to get back to reasoned debate and exchange of useful information, before the moderators pull the plug on this one.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
Richard
I had dinner with some friends from school the other day - at the table we had:
1 Quaker
1 Catholic
1 Jew
1 Moslem
1 Hindu
and a smattering of protestants, one of whom was black.
Therefore, I cannot agree with your views or have these linked in any way, shape or form to anything I said. I was the Quaker at the table (good job I wasn't the moslem eh?). One thing I have learnt from my multi-racial and quaker upbringing is tolerance and acceptance of other's viewpoints.
Therefore, I accept that you have the right in Australia (although not in England) to hold these views, however, I personally find them totally unacceptable.
Hilary
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Posted By Richard
I have just realised that my last response detailing my personal experience of stress yesterday may have been a bit confusing.
I am not Richard Spencer, and apologise to all for not making this clear
Richard2
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Posted By Richard Spencer
I have re-read my contribution and I can assure you I was stating an observed reality. I merely sort to respond to what I considered were terrible circumstances as outlined by Hillary. What happened to free speech?
Whilst I understand that this is not a political page, it is an issue that has caused many Governments to become concerned, because of the stress of not knowing what horrific act will be exercised on ordinary people in the name of a religious belief.
I think that to say it is a political issue and not a stress at work issue is a complete nonsense. I provide the following evidence reported in the news:
As I recall 200 people on their way to work in Spain were mercilessly blown to bits by religious bigots who felt the killing of innocent people was justified in the name of an ideal (Islam).
In a similar vain 3000 people were killed in the so called ‘9/11’ horror on New York. The people that died were at their place of work.
You would have to be an ostrich to fail to read in the news that it is the 1st anniversary of the killing of 200 -300 international aid workers in Iraq is today. Those people also felt they were safe and were not part of the combatants until they too were blown to pieces whilst at their place of work.
So, how this is not a work related issue? Every organisation I go to has increased security and an Emergency Plan which includes Bomb Threat and recently added to it has been exercises to train for the event following a bomb blast. Just think of the horror of a dirty bomb on the tube system in London at rush hour would be, or is this politically incorrect to mention?
If my view is so politically incorrect then why is Britain spending millions on anti-terrorism, they didn’t spend when the IRA were planting bombs. The answer seems simple enough, the threat is perceived to be greater.
Yes I agree with the view that the press do tend to sensationalise and ‘massage the truth’ but pictures tell a thousand words. Is it not time to look at reality or does history teach us nothing – I would ask why these people are hell bent on disrupting working peoples lives and causing so much harm. Or is this unrelated to workplace stress, if so how?
So before you collectively jump down my throat consider the evidence.
Is it the case that “if we ignore it, we can convince ourselves it will go away or, that it is ‘sensationalised’ by the press and, its nothing to do with me”.
I suggest discussion is the way to face this social anomaly and we should not ignore the fact that there are those zealots in the Islamic faith that want to kill anyone in the west – they don’t care who or when or what members of families. I point out that they surreptitiously come among us with the singular intent of harming ordinary people at work or on their way to work in order to kill and maim in the name of a religious idealism at our collective cost?
But hey! I could be wrong and as it seems I am the only none ‘flag waver’ in this debate.
Two famous men said two famous things:
Clem Attlee (no sure of the spelling) said “Peace in our time” and the world was plunged into massive conflict because the politicians failed to look terror in the eye.
Winston Churchill said, “We will fight them on the beaches, etc… and there will be no surrender…”, and free democratic societies of the world lived to fight another day.
Finally, I remember the words of Lord Baden Powell, “Be prepared”, the scout motto, and I have ever been so since.
This debate is to stimulate the issue of stress not to sensationalise “racist debate”.
Is it is now in Britain so political incorrectness to express a view on how this stress issue affects the individual?
Richard
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Oh Richard,
Don't kid yourself others can tell the difference.
You know, Richard the Lion Heart as opposed to Richard the Lemming.
Easy isn't it.
Which one do you think you are?
The Real Richard
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
Richard
No one is disputing that the current threat is from islamic fundamentalists - on that point you are quite correct - it is a fact and, therefore, not in dispute.
However, the important word in that sentence is "fundamentalists". A small faction of a sector of society. It is the fact that you have tarred all moslems worldwide with the same brush that we find unacceptable, as in:
"I found your account greatly concerning and British society should realise that society is degraded by the addition of this minority and is in my opinion invited a menace to reside within."
Up until now you have been what we, in Pom Land, would term "a pompous ass", but you cause us some amusement as I believe we have a collective "oh, no, he's off again" view when you contribute to a thread such as this.
We still have freedom of speech, you can say what you like but equally we can treat you as a racist and bigot for it - free speech is a double edged sword.
With all due respect (and frankly the respect due is very little), you don't live in the UK, you don't really know our society and you are not in a position to judge whether our society has been enriched or degraded by the introduction of other cultures and other peoples.
By expressing this view on an open forum you were in the wrong but to try to justify it is absolutely beyond the pale. Nobody said anything about stress being linked to islamic fundamentalists, in fact, we said pretty much the opposite.
Richard, you have gone too far.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
PS Now feeling stressed by Richard's comments - please send big hugs and choccie bars this way.
Thanks
Hilary
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Posted By Corrina Evans
On the way,
Huge hug
Corrina
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Posted By fats van den raad
Richard
Freedom of speech, like any other form of freedom, is something that should be exercised by those that recognise that this freedom can only be real as long as it stays whithin the boundaries that is set by what society finds acceptable. When these boundaries are overstepped in the name of "freedom", it becomes unacceptable to society. Freedom of speech does not mean that you can say anything you like and get away with it. The vast majority of people understand this, as the tone of arguments against your diatribes clearly shows.
You, on the other hand, have clearly shown that you are unable to use freedom of speech in a manner that is acceptable and falls whithin the boundaries of what society finds acceptable. This is again typical of those who are inherrently insecure, the ones who talk a lot but with presious little substance to support it.
"Freedom is like being a fish in a pond. You are free to go anywhere in the pond. The fish that goes out of the water is no longer free."
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Posted By Heather Aston
Back to the topic of stress. Do people feel that Friday is a "less stressful" day than, say, Monday?
The well known POETS syndrome may have something to do with this. Can we really make ourselves less stressed simply by anticipating something that hasn't happened yet? (the weekend....)
BTW, I've started looking at the NLP idea (courtesy of Wilf - thanks Wilf) and there's some fascinating stuff. I might even start a new thread on it when I understand a bit more about it.
Have a good Friday everyone.
Heather
"It's not what you say, it's the way that you say it"
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
Richard S's post was abhorrent in its sentiment and unintelligent in its thinking -the assumption that religious belief is the sole reason for anti-social behaviour is quite simply untenable.
He overlooks the basic fact that people are generally quite peacable until they are given a "reason" for ganging up on the other guy. This can be easily done by a clever manipulator such as Hitler or bin Laden. Tell a man that he should have a better deal, and that it's someone else's fault that he hasn't, and bingo, you've got yourself a convert. If the man's life is okay in the first place - his children have food in their bellies, he has a job, his standard of living is reasonable- it's much harder work to make him see that someone somewhere (a Jew? An American? A Muslim? A woman? Someone who looks different? Insert minority of your choice here) has somehow done him out of what is rightfully his.
So attitudes like Richard S's, in my humble opinion, are not making a stand against terrrosism. They are fuelling its fires. If he really wants to make the world more peaceful he should start actively seeking to make it a fairer place. I suggest that fair trade, child sponsorship, and supporting work to raise the global status of women as good places to start.
Oh, and by the way, it was Neville Chamberlain who misguidedly thought he had achieved "Peace in our time."
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Posted By fats van den raad
Raise the global status of women!!!!!!!!
They'll want to bloody vote next!!!!
Fats
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Posted By Heather Aston
Fats
You can run, but you can't stay hidden forever.
I detect that that bait was not being dangled for you anyway.....
Heather
"Whatever women do in life, they must do it twice as good as men in order to be considered as half as qualified. Fortunately, that's not very difficult."
Charlotte Whitton
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Posted By KEVIN O'KANE
"PHEW" is this the longest thread ever?
I have heard great things about NLP, I attended a workshop hosted by a construction company in the south east. The head of H&S used it along with his advisors which greatly improved their accident rate.
So I think Heather it would be an intresting thread,and could be another useful tool in the toolbox.....it will get people to walk and talk differently
Kevin
my dad always used to say "always fight fire with Fire"...... which is probably why he got thrown out the fire brigade
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Posted By Jason Gould
can't resist it
Men and Women at the cash machine
His and Her Drive Through Cash Machine Instructions:
HIS:
1. Pull up to Cash Machine
2. Insert Card
3. Enter PIN and account
4. Take Cash, card and receipt
5. Drive away
HERS:
1. Pull up to Cash Machine
2. Back up and pull forward to get closer
3. Shut off engine
4. Put keys in purse
5. Get out of car because you’re too far from machine
6. Hunt for card in purse
7. Insert card
8. Hunt in purse for shopping receipt with PIN written on it
9. Enter PIN
10. Study instructions
11. Hit "cancel"
12. Re-enter correct PIN
13. Check balance
14. Look for envelope
15. Look in purse for pen
16. Make out deposit slip
17. Endorse checks
18. Make Deposit
19. Study instructions
20. Make cash withdrawal
21. Get in car
22. Check makeup
23. Look for keys
24. Start car
25. Check makeup
26. Start pulling away
27. Stop
28. Back up to machine
29. Get out of car
30. Take card and receipt
31. Get back in car
32. Put card in wallet
33. Put receipt in checkbook
34. Enter deposits and withdrawals in checkbook
35. Clear area in purse for wallet and checkbook
36. Check makeup
37. Put car in reverse
38. Put car in drive
39. Drive away from machine
40. Drive 3 miles
41. Release parking brake
Now gone joiningh Fats in the hills
Have fun
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Posted By Jez Corfield Richard Again, if your comments weren’t so funny, they would be offensive, you previously managed to slag off women and people from Pakistan etc and now you seem to be tarring all Muslims with the same brush. But brutality is a great fan of diversity, Christians, Jews, Muslims and probably Quakers have all had their radical brutal elements. The UK is used to terrorist threats, don’t view the extra £2bn being spent on UK intelligence as being due to any increased threats, just a shift in threats and defence spending. Believe it or not we have never been safer, the cold war is over, the IRA threat is just about over, and the UK no longer has 2,000 nukes pointing at it. And whilst we might have a higher chance of a lower level attack, we have been used to that for years thanks to PIRA and INLA. Most safety professionals are aware and have done enough to plan for these events within our limited spheres, and we are happy to leave this kind of gubbins to international security and risk consultants. When I talk to staff in our London offices, they are usually more concerned about WRULD from the laptop, stress from overwork and maybe fire/emergency evacuation, rather than the threat from international Islamists, in fact there has not been one call to our EAP about terrorism. Have you perhaps thought of airing your views in a more appropriate forum, and leave this one to H&S and associated topics, could I suggest www.military.com, which is my particular, favourite for lively debate on military, and terrorist related topics. Jez Corfield
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Posted By Karen Todd
Jason,
You missed a step. The woman would also have checked her makeup BEFORE she got out of the car ;)
Karen
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Posted By fats van den raad
Welcome to my bunker Jason!!!!
It's true what they say, the best humour is that which contains the highest amount of truth.
Back on the stress track.. read this as a statemnt on stress.
" I dont suffer from stress. Anybody that starts to get me stressed gets a swift punch in the mouth. See, no stress"
Now that's a method I can relate to!!!
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
Thought I would have a quick go on the man vs woman front with this simple, yet effective quote:
Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition. Timothy Leary (1920 - 1996)
Hilary
PS Thanks for all the e-mail choccie bars received.
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
If a man says something in a forest, and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?
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Posted By fats van den raad
Men and women are equal.
Men are just more equal than women
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Posted By Jason Gould
The Perfect Man & Perfect Woman in an accident.
There was a perfect man who met a perfect woman. After a perfect courtship, they had a perfect wedding. Their life together was, of course, perfect. One snowy, stormy Christmas Eve, this perfect couple was driving their perfect car along a winding road, when they noticed someone at the side of the roadside in distress. Being the perfect couple, they stopped to help. There stood Santa Claus with a huge bundle of toys.
Not wanting to disappoint any children on the eve of Christmas, the perfect couple loaded Santa and his toys into their vehicle. Soon they were driving along delivering the toys. Unfortunately, the driving conditions deteriorated and the perfect couple and Santa Claus had an accident.
Only one of them survived the accident.
Who was the survivor?
The perfect woman. She's the only one that really existed in the first place. Everyone knows there is no Santa Claus and there is no such thing as a perfect man...
Women, stop reading here.
So, if there is no perfect man and no Santa Claus, the perfect woman must have been driving. This explains why there was a car accident.
(by the way if you're a woman, and you're reading this...this brings up another point....women never listen either.......)
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Posted By Heather Aston
Zoe - yes, of course, how could it possibly be otherwise?
Jason - very good - I'd not heard the cash machine one before! I've never seen a drive-through cash machine - do they really exist? (be kind now, I'm in darkest Wiltshire - and you presumably are sheltering in an underground bomb-proof bunker in the hills with Fats?)
Heather
"How many men does it take to change a toilet roll? No-one knows, no men have ever tried."
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Posted By Richard Spencer
My oh my! What pearls of wisdom.
Fats, is that Fats all the way from ‘Sunny South Africa’ of course such a good example.
You know I never cease to be amazed at the Ostrich like mentality of so many so called free thinkers.
What delicate constitutions you have particularly the ‘Chocolate eating, hairy legged thespians of the B team’ May I remind you freedom to express you thoughts is founded on those that stood up against the foe and paid dearly with their lives. Of course men have no rights, let a man dare disagree and you ‘tar and feather’ him in a feeding frenzy, with the SNAGs in close support.
None of you so called free thinkers dare address the substance of my commentary. What’s wrong is it to challenging or does it mean that you feel vulnerable outside the pack. Is an independent view to much to ask or can “pig really fly’.
Let’s talk about the real issues that give us stress, and stop canning those that would disagree. How about an independent view, not one by committee.
The amount of smarm and sheer cow dung is absolutely unbelievable. Feed people enough peanuts, and pretty soon you get monkeys.
None of you so called authorities have address the serious issue of workplace stress arising from actual and potential attacks at work by Islamic fundamentalism. Clearly none have yet been the recipient of such ugliness.
Perhaps the deaths in Spain and New York mean nothing?
But hey! Am I really out of step. Jack Nicholas said in the movie,
‘A Few Good Men”, to Tom Hanks, “You want the truth, but you can handle the truth”.
Death by terrorism is out there people, the sooner you Poms ‘get with the program’ stop believing the urban myth the less stressed you will be.
I think the ‘stiff upper lip’ has just about taken enough of a beating, don’t cha think?
Give me another break!!!
Richard
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
Richard, as a woman I have been subjected to sexual assault and harassment, and as member of a minority religion I have been insulted and vilified. So I think I can claim to have experienced what you call "ugliness."
However, as I hope my posts prove, I have neither lost my sense of humour nor my sense of perspective. I do not consider all men to be potential rapists, nor do I consider all Christians to be bigots. Indeed I consider members of both groups to be amongst my closest friends.
I like to think that I am intelligent enough to be able to recognise the individual for his or her merits, rather than allow myself to fall victim to a blanket hatred.
You should give this approach a try. You might even win yourself some friends.
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Posted By Heather Aston
Richard
I really think you need to take a long hard look at the c**p you are spouting on this thread.
The men vs women banter going on here is a J-O-K-E. It may be the middle of the night in Australia, but over here it's Friday afternoon and we are chilling out a bit in time for the w/e. This is a concept that "24/7- working, stressed-and-proud-of-it consultants" clearly couldn't begin to comprehend.
Hey Fats & Jason - you feel tarred and feathered in that bunker of yours? We haven't even BEGUN yet!
Just because we all have the opposing view to you (or so it seems) doesn't mean we are making decision "by committee" as you put it. How about considering the point that it's because we really DO all disagree with you? What do you think - we're all sat in the same room talking about how to reply to you?
You said
"None of you so called authorities have address the serious issue of workplace stress arising from actual and potential attacks at work by Islamic fundamentalism."
That's would be because in my industry, we don't see it as a significant risk in the global scheme of things. Actually we have considered it, but I'm certainly not going to post about it on a public forum.
I also deal with the military. I can assure you that we HAVE given it more than adequate consideration. Again it is NOT something to post about on a public forum.
Heather
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Posted By Sean Fraser
Entertaining though it is in it's sad, pathetic and shamelessly ignorant rhetoric, is it not about time we simply ignored Richard's "contributions". It is obvious that he is only trying to wind us up and even I have fallen for it. He cannot even get his historical or cultural icons right in quotation!
I vote (since this is a free speaking, democratic country unlike others that preetnd they are) that we stop responding directly - it has gotten past amusing and is now more like tormenting a small animal.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
Richard
I was the first person to come back to your response - the fact that others agreed with me does not make us ostriches. I exercised free will and free thought in making my feelings very well known. When I used the term "we" I spoke collectively for pretty much everyone I know on a personal level and not for members of the forum.
It does not surprise me that members of the forum wish to agree - this is a measure of our society and the way in which we, collectively, think. We are not ganging up but we have been brought up in a country that aspires to racial harmony.
You are a brave man to preach terrorism to a country that has been under terrorist threat for 40 years, please give this your consideration. When you have personally experienced terrorism please feel free to come back and tell us your experiences - we can give you a group hug and a chocolate bar!
As health and safety professionals in the UK I should imagine that each and every one of us has an emergency plan for dealing with terrorist threats. I know I have. Additionally, because I work for an American Company we have been on terrorist alert for long periods of time - we are not stupid, we know the risks but as we have grown up with them they are a normal part of our life and not something new which will particularly stress us.
Just so you don't feel left out of the joke, here is one for you ...
What is the difference between Australians and yoghurt?
Given 200 years even the yoghurt would develop a culture!
Happy Friday all you hairy legged, feminist, choccie eating, naive persons, have a good weekend.
Hilary
PS Fats and Jason - you really must do something about your legs - want some wax?
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
Trouble is, Sean, that if you ignore racism and other unsavoury traits, you allow them to grow unchecked. Look what happened when nobody reported what was happening to the Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and anybody else who didn't fit in with the Nazi's world view. Even those who lived on Dachau's doorstep could claim to have been surprised when the horrible truth finally emerged.
If we don't speak out when other people are attacked, then we cannot expect them to defend us when it's our turn to come under fire. Frankly I agree that Richard S is being rather embarassing, but I'd rather challenge him than let the world think I didn't care.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
Sorry Sean, I was writing while you were posting so I immediately responded - oops.
I agree with your sentiments.
Hilary
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Posted By Sean Fraser
Zoe,
Totally agree with you - my personal politics and memberships are a testement to that.
But these outpourings are, I suspect (and hope) an attempt to wind us up. If those views ARE those of that specific editor, then . . .
But what I am pointing out is that this board is not for such discussions - and we shouldn't encourage them by responding.
I am sure that these views are being challenged elsewhere, at the correct time and place. But not here.
I am a proponent of topic tangents - I beleive that is where the humour and real learning often emerges. But this is so far off-topic that it is now off-forum!
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
Thanks Sean. I too hope that Richard is a lovely jovial man having a quiet chuckle over the forment he has stirred up.
Okay than, from here on in I shall just let him have his say without dignifying it with a response. However I may of course need some therapeutic chocolate and hugs to bring my blood pressure down after reading his posts.
"Everybody is guilty of something" (Commander Sam Vimes, Commander of the City Watch, Ankh-Morpork)
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Posted By fats van den raad
Richard, (or I feel we have become so close, may I call you Dick?)
"Fats from "sunny South Africa" what a good example"????? Wow Dick, you have amazed me whith that remarkable come-back. This last post once again seem to confirm what I suspected for some time now. That you are actually nothing like you proclaim to be. The clues are there if you look hard enough. The grammatical and spelling mistakes, as well as the content of your postings, that only follow one of two lines, i.e. to be either confrontational and insulting, or to be complete drivel, shows to me that far from being the intellectual giant that you proclaim to be, you are actually a silly little twerp with far too much time on your hands. The term for a person like you on the internet is TROLL. As such I will follow the advice given for dealing with TROLLS, wich is to simply ignore them. They will eventually go away.
So Dick, this is "Sianara, Arivederchie, Good Bye and G'day Mate" May the rest of your life actually turn out the way it is in your imagination.
Fats
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