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Posted By Andy Petrie
I am very disappointed that the moderators felt that they had to lock the sausages thread as they feared it may be a 'spoof'.
It's a bit of harmless fun that helps us all get through the week, there are enough serios threads on this forum as it is.
Can the moderators 'get a life' and leave us to our harmless ramblings.
FREE THE SAUSAGE!
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Posted By HissingSid
Here here. Not the first time the moderators had a sense of humour failure.
Surely such an obvious spoof doesn't need such Gestapo like response. TGIF!
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Posted By J Knight
Moderator's response was a bit po-faced I thought; can we have a straw poll here; does anybody ever take MarkSMark seriously or do we all see his bent (although somtimes thought provoking) outlook on life as a bit of fun? And surely, if even we see the humour in it, being notoriously grey-suited pedants (;)!), then casual visitors to the site will catch on,
John
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Posted By Emma Forbes
I thought that Marks message was very amusing, as did the whole of my office, and the responses were fabulous. I think we certainly need something to lighten up our days giving the nature of our jobs. Look at funeral directors - you'll never find any other profession with such a quirky sense of humour as them and their profession is more serious than many others . We need to get away from the sterotype that we are all saddo anoraks sitting in our offices reading legislation - so I'm with the rest of you - FREE THE SAUSAGE!!! (oooer.....)
Keep up the good work Mark, it always makes me smile when I see a post with your name attached to it - you're keepin' it real - loving it babe!!!
Now, where did I put my Health and Safety At Work Brief......
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
I suppose more to the point is do any of our senior managers take us seriously? Can be a moot point at times. I wonder whose fault it is.
Bob
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Posted By A Olsen
I almost choked on my bacon roll when I saw the moderator's message! I search out the MarkSMark threads because I know they're going to brighten my day. Surely the moderator didn't think it was a serious question - I've measured a lot of things in my time but never measured a sausage.
Didn't realise I was supposed to wear my anorak ALL the time. Apologies.
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Posted By Fran Holt
here here, i chuckled out loud this morning when reading marks post - very good.
Mr Bessant clearly had a sense of humour bypass this morning after putting on his tweed and elbow patch attire - or does he even have one anyway?
Things need not be quite so boring, its a bit of light hearted fun!
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Posted By ITK
Keep up the good work Mark !!
H&S bods are not all tweed jacket wearing old men!!
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Posted By Fran Holt
hi, yes i know, and i have quite a groovy dad in H&S who hasnt got tweed or elbow patches in sight but with some people that image pops into my head of them!
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Posted By Lance Morgan
Sorry I for one do not find choking humerous. Seen to many youngsters in A&E after inhaling toys, peanuts and the like. However, I do like sausages particularly the Lincolnshire variety ;O)
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Posted By ITK
Fran I wasnt having a go, I hadn't read your post about tweed jackets, great minds think alike eh ??
SOS Save Our Sausages !!
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Posted By Mark Bywater
I agree the sense of humour thing is good at times, we are all human and can't afford to take ourselves seriously alll the time.
The moderators comments put me in mind of Graham Chapman (RIP) of Monty Python fame, when he donned the army captain's uniform and kept appearing between sketches of the show shouting something like "Stop it..that's silly. It's gone too far", or words to that effect.
Hilarious Martin...keep it up. We've never met but I have a wonderful picture of you in my mind now.
As for MarkSMark...how can I complain about this. You should be writing for Little Britain mate. Good stuff.
Yours exceedingly amused, Mark (not SMark)
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Posted By Mr Tony Bish
It may have been a spoof - but sadly I work in an environment where such a claim could have been genuine
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Posted By Emma Forbes
I think Tony, in this day and age, nothing is impossible - now I'm off to scoff some chocolate cake that someone's brought in for his birthday - and, I'll make sure that I chew at least 50 times before I swallow.
P.S Do you think I'll be able to sue my employer for the weight I'll be putting on and the love handles I'm rapidly developing from scoffing too many cakes....
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Posted By J Knight
Probably only if you are required to eat cake as part of your job... Most of us only have to swallow b******t and that's not fattening (though obviously I don't speak from personal experience,
John
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
At my own son’s primary there was an incident where a young girl died as a result of choking.
To suggest that choking is not a serious matter I find offensive.
I feel that Martin Bessant has made the right decision and I do hope that other members of this forum do support his decision.
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Posted By Andy Petrie
Can you point to where anyone said choking was not a serious matter.
I think everyone on this board would agree that it is very serious however that was not the point of the discussion. Try and keep up.
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Posted By gham
I don't know what I laughed harder at the original post or the ban, and then i got upset couse i didn't get a chance to put my recommendations across.
I find it funny that they banned the JC post cause he was slated for calling H&S Folk all sorts, including boring and lacking in the sense of humor department you know straight cut and all that... this was deemed unfair......... then they ban that....... Typical
Anyway it's friday I dropped off my tweed jacket this morning for dry cleaning and it's now ready to be pick up. I'm just off to get it and my lunch at the same time..... i'll give a roll and sausage a miss today though
PS When are they sorting a spell checker for this site
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Posted By Calum R Cameron
I have requested that MarkSMark is stopped from using the forum as his posts are generally the kind of rubbish that give this profession a bad name. I fully support Martin Bessant in his decision.
Regards.
Calum
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Leave markey boy alone, the whole of the british mentality is built on the have a go and get a larf attitude, unless you are one of the landed gentry who feel that us oiks are getting above our station, what what what, crikey olde bean!
In Scotland we have square suasuage!
SOS - planet zog calling home!!!
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Posted By gham
I think I'll burn my tweed jacket.... at an unauthorised bonfire on bonfire night, with no hot works permit
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Posted By John Webster
I would very much doubt if Mark's postings are the sort of thing that gives H&S a bad name.
What gives H&S a bad name, as rightly acknowledged by both IOSH and the HSE, is excessive risk avoidance in place of assessment and control of significant risks.
Representatives of both bodies use reasoned argument in support of reasonable H&S, as have many contributors to this forum.
Well directed humour is also a legitimate weapon for making a point. The much loved Jeremy Clarkson lampoons the faceless jobsworths who seem to be responsible for much of the bad press. Mark uses satire against the same enemy, a form of humour which has been highly effective in exposing official absurdity over the past 40 years or so. Satire is a kind of mirror. You laughed? Can you see yourself?
It is the very fact that people are now prepared to take the p**s out of "H&S gone mad" issues that has lead HSE and IOSH to come down from the tower and really try to educate and inform the public what H&S is REALLY about. They could do worse than to use the same sort of humour to help give H&S a GOOD name.
PS to those wanting a spell checker. Download the Google toolbar from http://toolbar.google.com/?promo=mor-tb-en . It also has a pop-up blocker.
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Posted By gham
Nice one........... the google toobar does exactly as you said
G'
oh and well said about the satire stuff i think you have a point there for sure
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Posted By ian mcnally
I’m all for keeping a sense of humour and also accept the claim that some safety people can be a tad over-the-top. Problem is, I never got a chance to see the original posting so if anyone thought to copy it I would be really grateful to take a look, then I can judge for myself how inappropriate it was.
Soon be the weekend then we can all take it easy
Ian
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Posted By Rob T
I make that 19 - 3 (response-wise) in favour of having a sense of humour! Probably about the right percentage accross our profession!!!
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Posted By jackw.
Hi as "Mary-anty-net" (thinking persons joke.. i hope) said let them eat cake or was it bacon but definately not sausage. Agree undertakers job is very serious..esp for the clients!!!!
PS I know she never actually said the cake thing..so no need to point that out..
it's friday afternoon..I know cos it's starting to rain..... humour what humour!!!!does he really wear elbow pathches?
cheers
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
Just because we want people to take health & safety seriously does not mean we have to be serious all the time. This is the problem with the image of this profession.
Just look at the Safety and Health Practitioner. Where's the humour in that. No wonder people switch off to health & safety and think it's all about people trying to stop them having fun.
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Posted By Terri Cox
I must say, having read and very occasionally responded to some rather dubious postings how can IOSH wish to stop the sausages posting getting stupid?????????????????
I look forward to looking on here for the ludicrous which provides some good laughs and light relief to the never ending hassles and stresses that we must deal with.
Let the safety world have some fun postings it keeps all on the site.....and introduces new users who are directed there by their colleagues thus widening the awareness for the real issues.
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Posted By Ian Bennett
There is a simple answer. If you do want to get lighthearted then log into: http://www.safetyphoto.co.uk/
They have a light hearted section and also has some good info. We can then leave this forum for the membership to chew the fat sorry..... I'm being light hearted in the wrong place again
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Posted By Paul Hay
Being involved mostly in H&S training, an issue that is often raised is the average persons view of health and safety people. The more common responses include: grey people in greyer suits, analy (not sure if thats how you spell that!!) retentive autocrats, trainspotters etc. etc. (I'm sure some of you have heard much worse!) Having been a long time reader and occasional contributer to this forum I am starting to think they may have a point. On many occaisions I have been following a thread and on the back of a light hearted comment someone will call for the moderator to step in.
No one is suggesting for one moment that choking to death is funny, but if someone like MarkSMark can give us a little giggle at the end of the day, where is the harm in that?
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Posted By Brett Day
Ok MarkSMark might be seen as ofensive to some, but he does provide a talking point and unfortunatly I have come across managers who do think like Mark's posts - One MD springs to mind - he told the HSE to 'Go away and make an appointment' another who asked could we bribe the HSE after an improvement notice had been served and a manager who wanted to know if he 'could sack the trouble making B*!!!*d who had reported the company to the HSE'.
Not everyone takes H&S seriously and Mark in his post does quite accurately some attitudes still around.
I for one would not want to see him go or be banned.
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Posted By Paul Costelloe
I'm sure it's BECAUSE so many people seem unable to see the humour in Mark's postings, that he continues to write them.
I'm constantly amazed (as I'm sure Mark is), by the number of respondees to his threads with apparent SOH failure. Such respondees will write paragraph upon paragraph, quoting Regs etc and generally pointing out the error of Mark's ways, without being able to see his postings for what they are.
Mark probably gets more of a laugh at these people than from those who post 'witty (?!!)' responses to his threads - I know I do.
That said, there's a time and a place for most things, and I don't think a professional forum such as ours is the place for poking fun (as Mark seems to be doing) at good-intentioned fellow professionals, even if, as in all professions, some of them do need a SOH transplant.
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker
I think the moderators should take note that Mark's absurd satire always provokes lively debate and far more replies and viewings of a thread than topics tackled in a dry and serous way hence the message reaches a wider audience.
I enjoy Mark's humour and it helps me keep my feet on the ground and reminds me to take frequent reality checks.
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Posted By Martin R. Bessant
Contrary to popular belief, I do have a sense of humour, do not wear tweeds or smoke a pipe! My task on behalf of IOSH is to ensure that these forums remain within the Acceptable Use Guidelines and remain reasonably close to the Aims of our Institution. Odd "spoof type" threads and responses can be very funny, and are often allowed to remain if they stay within the rules. Where they wander off the point they are either removed or locked.
The team has a difficult job and it is a fine line between compliance and free speech. If would again remind contributors that this is not a chat room run by one of the larger ISP's, but an information forum run by a professional society. IOSH members also have a duty to comply with the IOSH Code of Conduct, and non members are reminded that they are guests on our forums.
Martin Bessant - Lead Moderator.
Now where did I put my pint and slippers!
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Posted By Merv Newman
Contrary to popular belief : I do smoke a pipe, and I do have a tweed jacket (no elbow patches) with me for this job (part of the British safety consultant image) and I did actually wear it for a couple of training sessions this week. (grey suit, safety shoes and dark tie for the four managment meetings which also occurred this week) And I drive a Rover 75 (any offers above fourpence and a pickled onion ? A pickled egg maybe ?)
I originally got very annoyed at Mark's spoof postings and the fact that some people in our profession did not have the intelligence to see through him. Once or twice I think I asked for his threads to be blocked.
Now I look forward to his postings and the various flights of fancy evolving through the replies.
Here I am in the north of France. Stuck in a boring business hotel, 18h30, nothing to do until the restaurant opens at 19h30. I NEED a good laugh on Friday evenings.
Martin, lighten up a bit - let Mark's threads run for a few days. THEN you can round them all up, put 'em in a field and Bomb the Bµµ%ARds
Hooray for the great Kenny "All in the best possible taste" E.
Am I getting whimsical ?
Merv (I need a drink) Newman
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Posted By Lynchy
Evening All
Yes I'm with Merv on this - what's wrong with a bit of fun?? Do we have to be starchy all of the time?? I think not - after all there is humour in every aspect of life! So let it roll a bit, slacken off old bean, do!
Lynchy
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Posted By Karen Todd
I think we should invite MarkSMark to be a speaker at the IOSH conference!
I had a conversation about sausages in work this week. We use sealer guns, and the sealer for some of them comes in sausage shaped foil, and they are commonly referred to as 'sausage sealer' or 'sausages'. The sealer gets warmed in an oven at 65C before use, and my conversation was about handling hot sausages without gloves - the conversation had to stop when both myself and the person I was talking to realised the inference, and we both ended up red faced then creased up with laughter!
KT
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Posted By Andy Petrie
How about we simply put the word 'spoof' at the end of any title to make it clear to the no-brains that there a sense of humour may be required when reading that thread.
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Posted By Richie
This has probably been suggested before, but here goes...
How about setting up a link from the IOSH site to a more "free & easy" message board, such as EZboards? With a disclaimer obviously.
They have insult rooms and all sorts, so users can go there and throw their teddies around a bit.
Maybe a YAHOO group where at least affiliate membership to IOSH could gain you access? Happy to set one up if there is custom.
Richie.
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