Posted By John Lewis Nicholas In my experience avoid as far as possible any legal niceties because people of a certain mind set immediately take the view you are trying to "shaft" them if anything goes wrong. Instead concentrate on the benefits for the people being trained, that if the contractor doesn't provide good information in good time then they can prevent the job proceeding. If they are actually writing the start and finish times on the permit then they dictate what time to finish e.g. "I need to get off to parents evening and cannot be late so you will finish at 16.30" etc. In some industries and businesses the requirement to tell beforehand the department in which they are working is a big bonus. If the department concerned refuses they have to sign off the permit to say that they prevented the job proceeding. When the machine fails maintenance wheel out the cancelled permit and smile. Depends on the dynamic of your business obviously. I am sure others will come up with some good ideas too. John

Posted By Mike Nixon Have sent separate ppt presentation direct.