Posted By Mark Eden Two points 1. How can you produce a CHSP without a Pre CHSP - you simply don't have the necassary information 2. What about the Client's duty to allow adequet resources (this includes time) I would imagine the designer has not told the Client of his duties under current CDM legislation and a PS has not been appointed

Posted By JPK IMPOSSIBLE!!! How on earth can you provide a construction phase plan, without the Pre-tender H&S plan and without a comprehensive site visit! Absolute nonsense, and I would question the Designer/Planning supervisors appreciation of H&S on this job, or their knowledge for that matter! I have been asked this in the past, to have a CPH&SP within 3 days, strangely enough the PS was removed from the project before the job started for not having their side of the work complete. I do not appreciate being rushed into making a decision on H&S on my sites, and would advise anyone else to take the same approach. IS Contruction a high risk activity!?!

Posted By Robert K Lewis By the way have your people received the statutory traininmg under CAR 2006 for maintenance and refurbishment operatives.? Bob

Posted By Crim Thanks for the responses so far, however some questions need to be answered! Mark, I never produce the CDM Plan without first having the Pre tender Plan. As in this case I have not yet received the Pre Tender so have not even started the CDM Plan. JPK, The Client has appointed the Designer as project admin/P S. The Designer on this project is Japanese (I jest not). Ron, Asbestos - when encountered work stops! Asbestos register is usually provided pre tendering. P S do not wish to see my CDM Plans any more as they are happy with those provided in the past. I usually provide a duplicate copy for Centre Management. Bob, What is CAR 2006?

Posted By Ron Hunter Off thread I know, but just to clarify the Asbestos Regs issue, the "at work" part is removed from the New Regs as they now include what was the Prohibition Regs which apply across the supply chain. It was CAWR 2002 and other Regs (Prohibitions, Licensing). It is now one set of combined Regs "Control of Asbestos Regulations" = CAR 2006.

Posted By Robert K Lewis JPK/Crim Control of Asbestos Regulations 2006 note no Work mentioned. The regulations and Acop extend the training requirements to those who can forseeably encounter asbestos and specifically includes maintenance and refurbishment operatives and their managers/supervisors. There is a set syllabus and it must be carried out by a competent person and certified annually, in broad essence at least. The asbestos register on its own is not sufficient for either yourself or the premise owner/manager to fulfill your duties. If you are penetrating the fabric how will your operatives be aware of asbestos before they do it? At least CDM 2007 will bring in some additional controls for the smaller non-notifiable jobs as well. This will include the provision of information to the contractor so far as can be reasonably ascertained. it also will include the need to appoint competent contractors. Bob

Posted By Robert K Lewis DW We also need to remember that reg 6 derives also from reg 4 The duty to manage and reg 5 The duty to identify. The new acop L127 for regulation 4 is also helpful in this and I would urge all maintenance and refurbishment companies to become fully familiar with the interplay of these and CDM 2007. The HSE have identified shopfitters in the long list of potentially exposed operatives, the list includes telecoms engineers and IT installers as well!! so you can see that the training net is being cast wide. Bob