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#1 Posted : 29 April 2008 11:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Mac Carthy

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Can someone advise me where it is clarified as a prescriptive requirement to have emergency lighting in a building and neon directional signage, thank you.

Overview:
It’s an old building which is due for demolition in approximately three years time. The building is a store for clothing mainly with some offices; the store also houses flammables adjacent, albeit in an intrinsic store, to usual 'EX' rating etc.
It doesn't have any emergency lighting or neon signage; do I need to have it updated considering the lifespan of the building?

Thanks

John

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#2 Posted : 29 April 2008 11:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve H
Whats the occupancy levels?
Whats the times when the building is occupied?
What are the ignition sources?
What does your Fire RA say

Steve
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#3 Posted : 29 April 2008 11:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Mac Carthy
Steve

Occupancy levels - 10 permanent with anything up to 100 bodies gaining access for stores issues.
Building is occupied - normal office hours 8am-5pm M-F.
What are the ignition sources - flammable materials storage - external, internal - cardboard and general clothing.
What does your Fire RA - not completed by me and a copy is awaited?

I'm trying to find clarity whether or not it must be brought up to date?
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#4 Posted : 29 April 2008 11:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lloyd Cole
Im afraid the answer is yes to both, not only for the RRFSO 2006, but the WHSW regs 1992 require the lighting (regulation 8)
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#5 Posted : 29 April 2008 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By John A Wright
John M,

Ignition sources - this means are there any naked flames (e.g. in boilers, cookers, tools), sources of sparks, heaters, very hot surfaces, hot processes, electrical appliances that might be faulty?

John W
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#6 Posted : 29 April 2008 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Mac Carthy

Thanks for that :)

Ignition sources minimum risk, all items within PAT, boilers within service/PPM schedules.

Legislation bit - thanks!

More info/opinions/suggestions are always welcome.

Thanks

John
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#7 Posted : 29 April 2008 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By John A Wright
John W,

Whether your boiler is serviced or not it still has a flame, so it's an ignition source :o)

You mentioned flammables. Do you mean flammable liquids, gases?

or did you mean combustibles: paper, cardboard, textiles?

They are all regarded as fuel anyway.

Let's not go through the whole process of fire risk assessemnt here, I suggest you check out the free on-line guides at the HSE site.


John W
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#8 Posted : 29 April 2008 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lloyd Cole
Hello good all.

The thread is losing the question, its not a case of FRA, its a case of WHSW regulation, the guy has more than 5 employees and regulation 8 is the requirement.
He will have to have the lighting because its other than a domestic dwelling as written in the RRFSO and early document "B".
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#9 Posted : 29 April 2008 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
John,

Just a suggestion, with a little bit of planning it should be possible to salvage the investment components and take it with you when you move, or else sell second hand.
Either way, you've no option, although there is no requirement for "neon" lighting.
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#10 Posted : 29 April 2008 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By John A Wright
Lloyd,

Yes I take your point about the original question, but from John M's later comments it was clear he had no Fire Risk Assessment and did not understand how to do it.


John M,

With regard to signs, you also confusing luminous signs with neon signs, I suspect.



John W
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