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Can electricians use step ladders for overhead works?
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Posted By Mark1983
I was under the impression that to use a ladder safely one must maintain 3 points of contact with the ladder at all times...
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg402.pdf
Near the bottom of the above article however it shows a picture of a man replacing a lightbulb with a green tick next to it - but both his hands are off the ladder - can someone plse explain
Thanks
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter
Mark
In the first part someone has made a gaff.
On the second IMHO basically the guidence ladder work should only be for short duration work, so changing a light bulb would fall into this catagory and not normally that far off the ground.
Badger
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Posted By Rob W
I recall being told by the HSE that the body leaning against the steps is counted as a third point of contact.
quote from http://www.hse.gov.uk/fa...tepladderthreepoints.htm
"Three points of contact can mean two feet and one hand, two feet and the body supported by a “D-ring” as show in the illustration, or two feet and the body supported by the stepladder."
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
For what it is worth, I think 3 points of contact is suitable for a ladder, but not necessary for a step ladder, which is designed to be worked from as opposed to a ladder which is for access. Common sense goes a long way in this game.
Ray
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Posted By Crim
A HSE Inspector recently told me that ladders are not banned, however they would prefer to see work from "Pop Ups" instead.
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Posted By Mark1983
Pop ups ????
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Posted By Mark1983
Ridiculous, an electricians not going to use one of those every time he goes to change a light bulb, don't you think the industry is taking this too far?
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Posted By A Campbell
I had this question when working with a FM company.
It's a matter of weighing up the job.
If changing 1 or 2 lightbulbs, then fine stepladders, combination ladders etc would likely be suitable for a short duration task.
If it was for multiple use, e.g a whole change out for a shop floor then alternative equipment would have to be considered.
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Posted By Clark Kent
I stand on a chair to change a light bulb.
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Posted By Cliff Davis
Surely not Clark, i thought you would fly up there wearing your underpants outside your trousers!!!!.
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Posted By Paul Timms
Direct from the WAH regulations
10. Every ladder shall be used in such a way that -
(a) a secure handhold and secure support are always available to the user; and
(b) the user can maintain a safe handhold when carrying a load unless, in the case of a step ladder, the maintenance of a handhold is not practicable when a load is carried, and a risk assessment under regulation 3 of the Management Regulations has demonstrated that the use of a stepladder is justified because of -
(i) the low risk; and
(ii) the short duration of use.
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Posted By Crim
I have just returned from a site inspection in Melton Mowbray, visited by HSE inspector last week who told the site manager step ladders were not recommended on site, he would rather see work caried out from MEWP's.
Two step ladders still on site, one damaged to be removed from site today.
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
The best and safest WAH equipment should be used for the job. however, in the real world practicalities dictate what can and can't be used. We insist that towers or podiums are used unless due to constraints such as a space it is not practicable, then ladders or step ladders can be used. Simples.
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Posted By clairel
For a start podiums are not without risk and there has been an increase in podium related accidents due to so many people switching to them thinking they are inherently 'safe'. They are not. Just as MEWP's are not inherently safe. You trade one risk for another based on the situation and which may be perceived to be a safer alterntaive.
I am shocked that two people above have mentioned that HSE inspectors are suggesting that they would rather not see ladders being used but alternatives. That is not the party line (so to speak). The HSE are at pains to say that ladders can be used in appropriate circumstances. Just goes to show that there are good and bad inspectors IMO.
As to the original post I think you have misinterpreted the HSE's guidance doc. Perhaps the crosses on the pictures are misleading.
INDG402 shows a man working on a stepladder, side on, with a drill. If you read carefully you will see that it is the side on working that is wrong. The picture below it shows the same activity but not side on and if you notice he is not holding on with his hands (as the previous post says the 3 points of contact is for ladder working).
If a step ladder is the best tool for the job then continue to use it IMO.
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Posted By clairel
Sorry, should have also said that the two pictures you are referring to are not about 3 points of contact but about how many rungs are free at the top of the stepladder.
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Posted By Cliff Davis
Hierarchy of equipment selection dictates what is used, which should form part of the risk assessment surely.
A wide open floor on a construction site dictates that a mobile tower should be used, where as working in the ceiling void of a small cupboard or toilet would mean the equipment selected would probably be steps. Its all down to the risk assessment.
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