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John J  
#1 Posted : 03 March 2011 09:50:31(UTC)
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John J

Can anybody provide a simple comparison between the Risk/Health phrases used in the new GHS system and the equivalent in CHIP. I am starting to get new MSDS sheets through and am in the process of changing our COSHH assessments to reflect the changes.
chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 03 March 2011 09:55:43(UTC)
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chris.packham

The Hazard Statements in CLP regulation do not seem to correspond exactly with the old Risk Phrases, so a direct translation would appear not possible. You can download the CLP regulations from the Internet and this (all 1355 pages) contains a listing of all the hazard, precautionary and other statements. Chris
John J  
#3 Posted : 03 March 2011 10:16:22(UTC)
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John J

Thanks Chris, I'm working on a nearest fit. I'm quite surpirised that nothing has changed on the HSE Website on COSHH and particularly EH40 to reflect the changes
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 03 March 2011 10:17:27(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

This is not a direct answer, but the best information summaries I have seen were posted on this forum a couple of weeks ago (cannot remember by whom, sorry) CLP Poster - A1 size (for high resolution for professional printing – Classification and Labelling Elements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...LP_Poster_1_A1_size_.pdf A4 size - suitable for easy on-screen reading and office printouts – Classification and Labelling Elements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...LP_Poster_1_A4_size_.pdf CLP Poster 2 -A1 size (for high resolution for professional printing –– Hazard and Precautionary Statements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...Poster%202%20revised.pdf A4 size (suitable for easy on-screen reading and office printouts) ) – Hazard and Precautionary Statements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...ster%202%20A4%20size.pdf
teh_boy  
#5 Posted : 03 March 2011 10:28:32(UTC)
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teh_boy

Chris.Packham wrote:
The Hazard Statements in CLP regulation do not seem to correspond exactly with the old Risk Phrases, so a direct translation would appear not possible. You can download the CLP regulations from the Internet and this (all 1355 pages) contains a listing of all the hazard, precautionary and other statements. Chris
That is correct :( I was on a COSHH assessment course for mixtures with Sypol and they explained the great news that you can't substitute one picture for another! Back to the drawing board for all COSHH assessments.... But wait new symbols / hazard phrases don't have to be issued until 2014 or something for mixtures but sooner for pure chemicals... Also something with a R phrase may not have a Hazard phrase, also something flammable may change to a different class of flammable!!! So until the change we have two systems... ARGHHHHHHHHHH And America and Canada are still using their own so can we really call it Global????? Is it Friday yet?
John J  
#6 Posted : 03 March 2011 10:39:57(UTC)
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John J

That is correct :( I was on a COSHH assessment course for mixtures with Sypol and they explained the great news that you can't substitute one picture for another! Back to the drawing board for all COSHH assessments.... But wait new symbols / hazard phrases don't have to be issued until 2014 or something for mixtures but sooner for pure chemicals... Also something with a R phrase may not have a Hazard phrase, also something flammable may change to a different class of flammable!!! So until the change we have two systems... ARGHHHHHHHHHH And America and Canada are still using their own so can we really call it Global????? Is it Friday yet?
It doesn't appear so as all the EU phrases are specific to the european union. The other problem is new substances to the market have to use the new packaging so we are already seing the new MSDS sheets.
jay  
#7 Posted : 03 March 2011 10:41:26(UTC)
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jay

In most cases, the change from CHIP 3 (Old) to CLP (new) should not result in wholesale COSHH re-assessments for substances, because the MSDS's must have the old style Risk & Safety Phrases up to June 2015 and also, with some minor exceptions, the Hazard Categories that CLP has taken from GHS almost mirror the old ones. Yes, there is change in labelling, but that should not result in changes to the hazard categories as such.
jay  
#8 Posted : 03 March 2011 10:47:04(UTC)
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jay

It seems that the links posted by Jane from a previous posting do not work (a bug to sort out i.e copying & pasting long links does not work??). I ahve reposted the links. CLP Poster - A1 size (for high resolution for professional printing – Classification and Labelling Elements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...LP_Poster_1_A1_size_.pdf CLP Poster - A4 size - suitable for easy on-screen reading and office printouts – Classification and Labelling Elements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...LP_Poster_1_A4_size_.pdf CLP Poster 2 -A1 size (for high resolution for professional printing –– Hazard and Precautionary Statements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...Poster%202%20revised.pdf CLP Poster 2 A4 size (suitable for easy on-screen reading and office printouts) ) – Hazard and Precautionary Statements http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Pu...ster%202%20A4%20size.pdf
jay  
#9 Posted : 03 March 2011 11:10:32(UTC)
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jay

There is a huge amount of information on HSE website and also on its COSHH pages regarding the changes & impact- What is a hazardous substance? http://www.hse.gov.uk/coshh/detail/substances.htm COSHH, CLP and REACH http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...tail/coshh-clp-reach.htm EH 40 has not been changed because there is no need to do so, as it is primarily about exposure limits and not about classification & labelling
tms  
#10 Posted : 03 March 2011 11:14:38(UTC)
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tms

Hi, If you go to the CLP regulation, right at the end in Annex VII there is a translation table from Risk phrase to Hazard statement, quite a few have "no direct translation possible" though. It is correct that the new labels/SDS's (in terms of showing CLP symbols and phrases) are only required for pure substances at the moment with mixtures to follow in 2015, but some companies are not waiting, and are using the new system for all products including the mixtures.
jay  
#11 Posted : 03 March 2011 11:28:05(UTC)
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jay

Tms, For SUBSTANCES, from 1st December 2010 to 1st June 2015, suppliers must classify substances according to both CHIP and CLP, but they must label and package according to CLP only. From 1st June 2015 onwards, suppliers must classify and label substances according to CLP (old DSD/CHIP classifications disappear entirely) For MIXTURES (Preparations) w.e.f. 20th January 2009 to 1st June 2015, suppliers can continue to classify, label and package according to CHIP (DPD). However they may, as an alternative choose to classify, label and package mixtures according to CLP. In this case, they must in addition continue to classify under CHIP (for MSDS), but the requirements for labelling and packaging of CHIP no longer apply, (i.e they must do it as per CLP) Form 1st June 2015 onwards, suppliers must classify, label and package according to CLP only (old CHIP/DPD classifications disappear
John J  
#12 Posted : 03 March 2011 11:29:29(UTC)
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John J

Thanks for all the information so far. The posters are particular useful and we have had a real breakthrough in understanding the relationships with the different phrases.
John J  
#13 Posted : 03 March 2011 11:32:31(UTC)
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John J

Jay, unfortunately a few MSDS sheets we have received are already dropping chip and going with CLP.
jay  
#14 Posted : 03 March 2011 11:40:28(UTC)
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jay

There has been a significant uptake of GHS globally-refer to the implementation status globally at:- http://www.unece.org/tra...hs/implementation_e.html On 30 September 2009 OSHA published a proposed rulemaking to align OSHA’s Hazard Communication standard (HCS) with the GHS. http://www.osha.gov/pls/...e=SPEECHES&p_id=2014 For Canada Specific, refer to:- http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/a...iv/ghs-sgh/index-eng.php All major jurisdictions had input to GHS and the implementation has different timescles, but it is happening!
jay  
#15 Posted : 03 March 2011 13:21:33(UTC)
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jay

John, The CLP (new version MSDS) in Section 2 MUST have both classifications (CLP & CHIP 3), otherwise the supplier is in breach of the CLP regulations. Yes, Section 2 will only have the new pictograms, but it must include the old classification. Refer to an example of such an MSDS from Fisher-Scientific https://extranet.fisher....0%2F25&Submit=Search
John J  
#16 Posted : 03 March 2011 15:50:07(UTC)
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John J

Jay, to be honest I'm just glad that they've taken the time to put the appropriate information on. Some of the MSDS sheets I've recieved in the past have been so vague I'd have been better of guessing. Having spent 3 hours today studying the guidance we are well on the way to be able to amend our current COSHH system to account for the new requirements but we would have been at it a lot longer without the help from this forum so thanks again, John
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