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Andrew W Walker  
#1 Posted : 17 June 2011 10:41:28(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

Do all final exit fire escape doors need to be "fire doors"? Either FD 30 or FD 60? I think not unless there is an escape above them? Is this correct? (I think I have read it somewhere in my deep & dark past). Thanks Andy
SW  
#2 Posted : 17 June 2011 11:07:10(UTC)
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SW

Hi I believe you are correct. Doors on the way to the final exit will probably require fire resisting Regards SW
Steelej  
#3 Posted : 17 June 2011 11:13:48(UTC)
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Steelej

Fire escape doors do not need to be fire resisting ("fire doors") unless they are at the boundry to a fire resisting compartment within a building or to outside. Think of them as two different things Fire doors stop the spread of fire from one area to another Fire escape doors provide passage to a place of safety or route final exit
MaxPayne  
#4 Posted : 17 June 2011 11:25:40(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Inward opening or opening in the direction of travel? I've read somewhere that the final exit door may open inwards if the occupancy is <60 persons. Does anyone know where that is stated please and what happens if the final exit opens directly onto another escape route in that case?
Andrew W Walker  
#5 Posted : 17 June 2011 11:33:38(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

quote=MaxPayne] Inward opening or opening in the direction of travel? I've read somewhere that the final exit door may open inwards if the occupancy is <60 persons. Does anyone know where that is stated please and what happens if the final exit opens directly onto another escape route in that case?
I remembered where I had seen the info! Approved document B of the building regs. Above 60 people and the door must open in the direction of travel. Any door opening onto another escape route would need to be fire rated. A final exit would be classed and exiting to a safe area. Andy
Andrew W Walker  
#6 Posted : 17 June 2011 11:37:27(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

MaxPayne  
#7 Posted : 17 June 2011 11:42:24(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Motorhead wrote:
http://www.communities.gov.uk/archived/publications/planningandbuilding/buildingapproveddocumentb
Motorhead, Thanks, of course document B. The door I have in mind though currently opens in, but the office is being refurbed and additional staff will be relocated there which may take the total occupancy above 60 (at times). The door opens out onto the exteral pedestrian route into the site and also serves as the escape route for 1st floor staff once they have come down the external stairs. In other words, if we make the door open outwards it'll either block that route or have the potential to frequently smack people in the face as it's in constant use.
Andrew W Walker  
#8 Posted : 17 June 2011 12:05:13(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

MaxPayne. I don't envy you on that one. I take it that there is not the option to move the location of the exit door? Andy
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 17 June 2011 12:24:26(UTC)
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firesafety101

Once the refurb in complete, (structural changes?) the fra will have to be reviewed. Is it possible to form a lobby for the door to open into thus not affecting other people when opening in the direction of travel? This may mean bringing the door back a little.
messyshaw  
#10 Posted : 17 June 2011 19:09:45(UTC)
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messyshaw

Alternatively to Chris's suggestion of bringing the door back a little, would it be possible to create a lobby with new outward opening doors on the inner doorframe, and maintain the original outward opening door, held open with hooks when the building is occupied? I have worked on jobs in listed buildings in London where external doors cannot be moved into the building, so this alternative has been used
Wizard  
#11 Posted : 11 July 2011 03:34:15(UTC)
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Wizard

Maxpayne, Messyshaw has properly advised to recess the door which will over come the door interferring with other traffic , please remember the door will be required to be self closing to protect those escaping above from the products of combustion or is it flammbustion or inflammbustion !!. Wizard:):)
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