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Clare34439  
#1 Posted : 07 July 2011 12:07:48(UTC)
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Clare34439

I am concerned that aluminium alloy 6061 pressure vessels are being subjected to a paint drying process after their hydrostatic test, possibly reaching a temperature of 140 degrees C? My questions are:

Is the pressure test invalidated?

Is the integrity of the vessel affected by the temperature?

Comments gratefully received.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 07 July 2011 13:32:43(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

In metallurgical terms, that's a very low temperature, not going to affect crystaline structure etc. I personally wouldn't be concerned. I speak as a mere qualified mechanical production and design engineer.
Maybe there's a qualified metallurgist amidst our ranks who can confirm...........
Clare34439  
#3 Posted : 07 July 2011 14:50:48(UTC)
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Clare34439

Thanks Ron,

Dave
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 07 July 2011 14:52:25(UTC)
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bob youel

as an x [in my youth etc.] -fabrication and welding engineer I agree with Ron
Clare34439  
#5 Posted : 07 July 2011 16:48:57(UTC)
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Clare34439

Thanks Bob,

Dave
Jane Blunt  
#6 Posted : 07 July 2011 16:55:24(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I am a bit more cautious, as a quick search on Google reveals this to be a precipitation hardening aluminium alloy.

The temperature at which these alloys reach (or over-reach) their optimum strength is very variable, and for some the temperature is quite low.

I will see if I can find out a bit more tomorrow.
paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 07 July 2011 18:08:27(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Precipitation hardening temperature for a typical 6061 Al alloy is at 160 deg Celsius.
I would say perilously close to your 140 deg Celsius paint curing temperature.
You will need to seek professional advice on this one I suspect.
My gut feeling is that it will undertake metallurgical changes.
You should be able to assess this by destructive testing of 2 samples to get an initial feel.
One prior to paint curing and one after, polished and etched samples should show any structural changes, also you would then have two sacrificial bodies and you could undertake perhaps a tensile and impact test on them.
A good materials lab should be able to do this for you easily and provide a report on any changes.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 08 July 2011 00:29:00(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

And a good metallurgist would give you the answer straight-off. This artificial aging process takes many hours. How long is the paint drying process?
Irrespective of that, the seam weld will have its own micro-structure.
Jane Blunt  
#9 Posted : 08 July 2011 07:20:04(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Paul has given an excellent answer. I would suggest a check on a sample of material before and after the curing process. A hardness test is probably the simplest indicator of whether the ageing has been compromised.

How long ageing takes is strongly dependent on the temperature and the alloy. In this case we are concerned about over-ageing, where the strength can drop sharply. The majority of the strength in the weld region is likely to be lost during welding, and is recovered by fresh heat treatment.
Jane Blunt  
#10 Posted : 08 July 2011 07:21:12(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

PS I would check the hardness of the weld material, the parent material and the heat affected zone as well.
bob youel  
#11 Posted : 08 July 2011 07:35:39(UTC)
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bob youel

Whilst not wishing to condemn without the full details may I ask why a company is undertaking such work without the competence re metallurgy to hand?
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 08 July 2011 12:13:48(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Our discussion here may be moot.

Where the extinguishers are refurbished, they will presumably still require to be supplied as BS EN 3 compliant.

That standard states that hydrostatic type-testing is to be conducted on finished, painted, articles.
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