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KKemp  
#1 Posted : 27 January 2012 15:51:18(UTC)
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KKemp

Hello, If you work from home and you use your own or work equipment do they both have to be PAT tested? Thanks Katie
Norfolkboy  
#2 Posted : 27 January 2012 16:26:13(UTC)
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Norfolkboy

No - in short although they will have to have a visual inspection
paul.skyrme  
#3 Posted : 27 January 2012 21:05:26(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

No statute law requirement for PAT. How can there be employer responsibility for employees equipment which they know nothing about and have no control over?
barnaby  
#4 Posted : 27 January 2012 23:22:26(UTC)
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paul.skyrme wrote:
No statute law requirement for PAT. How can there be employer responsibility for employees equipment which they know nothing about and have no control over?
But the employer is required to maintain it. “Home working” can cover quite a range of activities and for some equipment provided by employers, complying with the requirement to ensure work equipment is maintained in a safe condition may be best met by testing (of course visual inspection – often by the home worker – would be appropriate in many instances). You might find this HSE Research Report, “Health and safety of homeworkers: Good practice case studies” of some interest. http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr262.pdf There's probably more information available on the HSE website.
paul.skyrme  
#5 Posted : 27 January 2012 23:28:09(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

barnaby, Your points are valid, however, does this stretch to the home workers kettle, and other kitchen appliances? At work these would be covered by the workplace legislation. At home their kettle for example could be lethal, however, they use this for making their brew during their paid tea break and kill themselves by electrocution, would the employer be liable as they were at work, but working from home using a piece of equipment which would have been provided perhaps in the workplace, but not at home, and to make a brew at work would be acceptable. So why not at home, but is the home workers kettle relevant?...
barnaby  
#6 Posted : 28 January 2012 00:31:42(UTC)
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I took the OPs wording 'your own or work equipment' to mean both the employees own equipment or that supplied by the employer. Although these days the vast majority of home workers are doing office work at home the term does also cover higher risk work at home and this can involve equipment which might require testing. I'm not sure about kettles and normal household equipment being used while the householder is 'at work'. I wouldn't expect PA testing. Maybe providing information eg how to visually inspect, but that so often descends into stating the bleedin' obvious and bottom covering.
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 28 January 2012 09:42:46(UTC)
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firesafety101

Interesting debate. I work at home and out and about. I use PC, printer, laminator, various battery chargers, radio, kettle, toaster, grill- all my own stuff and I take my lap top with me when away. Where do I stand as I am self employed? I have a risk assessment on my lone working and my risk to people I meet. Oh by the way I have an employee - my wife. She also uses all of the above.
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 28 January 2012 10:10:54(UTC)
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This where the word 'sensible' applies. There is no need for an employer to PAT appliances for home workers, or indeed at work if they choose not to do so. Sensible precautions for using the home as a part-time office would only extend to ensuring the equipment is fit for purpose. Those working from home are much safer than other employees who travel to work - end of RA.
Zimmy  
#9 Posted : 28 January 2012 15:09:56(UTC)
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Zimmy

We had this problem when I was SO1 QS for a local gov office. As it was 'work' but home based we had to ensure that the computer was used in a safe environment i.e. Plugged into a safe electrical point. So to that effect we sent one of our electrical inspectors over to test the circuit that was to be used (along with the electrical installation of the house). It was found that the wiring of the house was, how shall I put this, DANGEROUS, YEP, THAT'S THE WORD. No earth bonding, no cpc to the socket and 50% of the wiring was reversed polarity. If follows then that working from home in this case was a non started as we had a duty of care. Last time I looked, the home is one of the most dangerous places to work. Rob
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 28 January 2012 17:25:44(UTC)
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firesafety101

Zimmy I agree - how many short cuts do we take just because we are at home?
pete48  
#11 Posted : 28 January 2012 17:50:40(UTC)
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pete48

Zimmy, did you do the same thing for all those third party sites and motorway service stations where employees plug into a third party supply? Just an idle weekend thought. p48
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 28 January 2012 19:48:49(UTC)
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RayRapp

Hmmm...whatever happened to sensible safety? One household out of tens or even hundreds of thousands which are used intermittently for office days. The risk would have been just the same had the person NOT been working from home - I despair.
Zimmy  
#13 Posted : 30 January 2012 19:35:53(UTC)
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Zimmy

Keep it idle Pete. Those buildings you talk about are quite separate as you well know. And Ray, don't go on about something you seem to have no idea about. Spend 15 years on electrical inspections and then talk about electrical installations. As a point of interest, when did you have your home electrical system tested? The point is Ray, we had a duty of care. What you or anyone risks at home is your business. I just hope you don't put others (children etc) at risk by ignorance. We tested three homes as it happened and not one of them passed the inspections. So please dear mods don't take my toys away! Just an Idle thought. No offence intended.
Zimmy  
#14 Posted : 30 January 2012 19:50:19(UTC)
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Zimmy

http://electrical-testing-safety.blogspot.com/ I really don't to upset you Ray. But I see too many truly dangerous installations to pull any punches here. Take a peep at my humble blog if you like. Rob
RayRapp  
#15 Posted : 30 January 2012 21:38:08(UTC)
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RayRapp

Don't worry zimmy I'm too thick skinned to be offended...and you're right, I know nowt about electrical installations, but I do know about risk management.
Zimmy  
#16 Posted : 31 January 2012 18:31:30(UTC)
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Zimmy

and so do I Ray, electrical at any rate :-) Rob
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