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Hi All hopefully you can help me here ?
We are a serviced based company and carry out the same type of activity in different custmers premisis, ie service gas fired boiler , change pump, replace filters, etc etc. I have created model risk assessments and given each RA a number. I intended to supply each engineer with this pack of RA's and every time they start a job they should list the various RA numbers that apply to the job, if however the enginer identifies further risks or the job is not straight forward a blank RA should be completed.
Any large job would have a full site specific RA carried out before the engineer went to site.
How does this sound
All our engineer have all the relavent ACS & H&S training
Thanks
John
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Don't know if it's right but it sounds very similar to what our inspectors do except we call the form that they fill in if there is something extra a 'Dynamic Risk Assessment' form( I known that the risk assessment is not the form it's just what we call it).
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bigjohnboy wrote:.
I intended to supply each engineer with this pack of RA's and
every time they start a job they should list the various RA numbers that apply to the jobThanks
Why? and
Why?
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It is the job issuers task to identify the relevant risk assessments in my view.
At each premise the RA is updated for that premise and held there in the premise if there are to be retiurn calls in the future. You are simply using the Generic as the task RA except when there is a change so why not make it specific to that client?
Again I say Never record dynamic RAs unless it reveals a permanent change that needs to be incorprated into the Task RA in future.
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Premises, Bob. Premises.
When applied to property, always used as a plural noun.
A premise is something completely different.
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Thanks for the input so far, let me supply more details the RA I am talking about are for t duration works 2 hours max in a mixture of domestic and non domestic premises . So to send someone to carry out a risk assessment for each small task would be un sustainable.
The reason the engineer needs to put the RA number on the ticket is because they may be other RA that are applicable if other work is identified ie original works is to service a boiler but find the pump requires replacing. Also by having to put the number on the ticket is shows he/ her has read the RA and agree's with it.
Thanks
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But you are sending an operative who can make each RA premises:-) (Ron) specific!!!!
Properly designed templates guide a trained person through the process thus giving a RA that can be signed off for each premises/that task in that premises
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A good RA is pragmatic, simple and effective.
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ron hunter wrote:Premises, Bob. Premises.
When applied to property, always used as a plural noun.
A premise is something completely different.
there is no need to be impolite
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bigjohnboy wrote:Thanks for the input so far, let me supply more details the RA I am talking about are for t duration works 2 hours max in a mixture of domestic and non domestic premises . So to send someone to carry out a risk assessment for each small task would be un sustainable.
The reason the engineer needs to put the RA number on the ticket is because they may be other RA that are applicable if other work is identified ie original works is to service a boiler but find the pump requires replacing. Also by having to put the number on the ticket is shows he/ her has read the RA and agree's with it.
Thanks
Still not convinced what value you're adding here. Seems somewhat bureaucratic and 'tick box'. I'd personally find it difficult to justify.
A reasonable outcome is to have the trained and competent workforce come back to management with the new and the unexpected issues. I'd focus on a method that encourages that feedback.
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There are processes to identify hazards which may not have been accounted for or are specific to a particular environment. Call them Dynamic RAs or whatever, moreover they must be meaningful and practical for people to use. Therein lies the problem. Dumb down the process too much and it is worthless and with an overly complex process operatives will either find difficulty completing it or not use it at all.
I concur with a previous comment, investing in training your workforce to identify potential hazards and putting in place a system where they can get support if needed is the best option. A prescriptive process for identifying hazards has it's limitations. Furthermore, the process should not be used as a backside covering exercise or transferring the onus to the worker.
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This is how understand what is being proposed:
* Engineers carry out a number of standard tasks
* Risk assessments have been prepared for those standard tasks
* Before they start work they are asked to review the appropriate risk assessment to confirm it applies
* If the task and hazards are as described on the risk assessment you ask them to confirm that they are applying the specified controls and to make a record
* If the task or hazards are different, you ask them to complete a job specific risk assessment
All sounds very reasonable to me provided engineers are provided with suitable training and support (which you covered in the original post). Also, seems pretty pragmatic approach, using standard assessments to reduce workload where possible whilst keeping flexibility to address particular scenarios. The only potential issue would be if the number of standard jobs turns out to be small, which would mean the engineers were having to develop job specific assessments more often than not.
References to 'dynamic risk assessments' are completely spurious here, in my opinion. There is nothing dynamic about the situation you describe, just that circumstances will vary from place to place.
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This is how understand what is being proposed:
* Engineers carry out a number of standard tasks
* Risk assessments have been prepared for those standard tasks
* Before they start work they are asked to review the appropriate risk assessment to confirm it applies
* If the task and hazards are as described on the risk assessment you ask them to confirm that they are applying the specified controls and to make a record
* If the task or hazards are different, you ask them to complete a job specific risk assessment
All sounds very reasonable to me provided engineers are provided with suitable training and support (which you covered in the original post). Also, seems pretty pragmatic approach, using standard assessments to reduce workload where possible whilst keeping flexibility to address particular scenarios. The only potential issue would be if the number of standard jobs turns out to be small, which would mean the engineers were having to develop job specific assessments more often than not.
References to 'dynamic risk assessments' are completely spurious here, in my opinion. There is nothing dynamic about the situation you describe, just that circumstances will vary from place to place.
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